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Good thread
One for the weakest position on the team, Shooting Guard, would be nice too
Refer to this thread for Chinook's salary and numbers
Refer to this thread for Shooting Guard thread
Spurs front office need to build a contender over the next 5 years while Leonard is a stud. Do they make a lot of moves this off season to continue the le contention? Or do they hold sail for the 2018 season, which appeared the most likely outcome prior to this season with the expiring contracts of Parker and Gasol, plus the opt renegotiation with LMA deal?
Point Guard position is probably the most interesting position of need with Parker injury, Murray still raw, and Mills proved he cannot run an offense with another failure of a series. With the pending retirement Manu, Spurs are short of a playmaker. Regardless, we will have to sign someone in this position. A lot of what ifs regarding Parker. Regardless, Spurs will obtain a point guard this off-season because there will be better options out there than Mills and Parker.
Top Range - 16mil+ to max contracts
Paul
Teague
Lowry
Hill
Rose
Holiday
On Paul, I don't think it is even close we can get him. Too many pieces will need to be moved and he still will need to take a paycut. All those other guys should be looking 16 mil plus a season, and well out of Spurs price range. Even if Spurs move pieces, are they willing to pay for borderline allstars? Will Rose take a pay cut? Will Hill take a pay cut to rejoin? Can we get a deal done for both Holiday's?
Outcome: Spurs make the phone call, find out the asking price and move on.
Midrange - 8 to 15 mil contracts.
Collinson
Livingston
D.Will
MCW
Rodriguez
Felton
The Spurs could look at some midrange guys to give Murray more time. All these guys could run an offense better than Mills. And if Spurs were to go down this path, it would assume Parker is done. Spurs could look at MCW as a long term approach or Rodriguez, both fairly young and both should grow.
Outcome: Unlikely. Midrange point guards for midrange price contracts and a terrible decision, and Murray could outplay them by the end of the season. I don't see any of these players taking paycuts.
Veterans and the raw - Min to low dollar contracts
Sessions
Galloway
Mack
Calderon
Udrih
Vasquez
Cole
Most likely scenario that the Spurs will look at a veteran as a Murray and Parker insurance. I don't see it likely the Spurs will go for a raw player like Cole because they are developing Murray. And if so, it might be best to draft or trade up in a draft for a prospect point guard.
Outcome: Likely, Spurs will look at the steady Calderon or defensive big point guard in Mack as a per stop gap signing strategy.
Trade targets
Bledsoe - 14 mil
Knight - 13 mil
Rubio - 14mil
Jackson - 16mil
Smart - 4 mil
Payton - 3 mil
Nelson - 4mil
Dellavedova -10 mil
Barea - 4ml
Harris - 4mil
Rozier - 2 mil
Ish Smith - 5 mil
Some interesting names and targets here, and all could be a on trading block, and some could be taken with any expiring contract (Gasol/Parker). Smart will take a bigger offer with Celtics possibly drafting a combo guard.
Outcome: Possibility. Parker is done or has a longer road to recovery than original believed that could miss the year, Spurs could easily move Gasol or sign and trade Mills. I can imagine the Magic thinking about a sign and trade for Mills involving Payton. Bucks the same with Della. Rubio is an option with T'wolves desire for a veteran big in Gasol.
Last edited by tbdog; 05-23-2017 at 02:06 PM.
Good thread
One for the weakest position on the team, Shooting Guard, would be nice too
I will get every position done over time.Good thread
One for the weakest position on the team, Shooting Guard, would be nice too
It depends how much the top-shelf guys want to win versus getting paid. The league is very imbalanced right now. Only three teams have a realistic shot: GSW, LeBron's team, and Kawhi's team. GSW has guards. Cabs have Irving. Spurs do not have a starting 1 or 2 if we're being honest.
I can thus see a CP3 or Lowry making a move to the Spurs. If so, we're just a big man short of a dominant team.
If they can open some significant cap space by salary dumping Gasol/renouncing Patty, etc. I'd much rather them go after a big like Millsap. He'll probably have better offers than what the Spurs could give him but only from worse teams with no chance to contend. Murray has been very wild and not sure if he could be relied upon for next season, but the team is going to have holes anyway, so you have to expect and hope for some internal improvement too.
- Gasol opt out/ salary dump - easier said than done, Minnesota, if they still have interest, would probably like to throw Aldrich in the deal, but there you go. Biggest decision node of the offseason
- renounce everyone expiring, except for Simmons, who has a very low cap hold
- offer Millsap a contract starting at $18-22 mil - it's possible to free up this amount in the described scenario
- match a reasonable offer for Simmons
- sign Motiejunas with the room exception
- sign a vet min PG
- bring Hanga and Milutinov
Murray, vet min PG, injured Tony
Green, Simmons, Hanga
Kawhi, KA, 29th pick
Millsap, Bertans, Lee?
LMA, Motiejunas, Milutinov
2-way contracts : Forbes?, 59th pick
Millsap is gonna sign with whoever give him his max at 35 mil a year. He didn`t opt out of 22mil, to sign for even or less. And someone will pay him that money.
Very possible but not sure he's going to get max offers, he's 32. Perhaps Atlanta are still undecided on their rebuilding and re-sign him. He'll likely get better offers than what the Spurs could give him, but how much better I'm not sure. he's made about $100 mil in his career already, he might want to play for a semi-contender for once. Of course if he gets a max offer or close to it the Spurs have no chance.
Ibaka is a more realistic alternative, but he's probably about 40 years old.
Last edited by BG_Spurs_Fan; 05-23-2017 at 02:40 AM.
From what I`ve read, Ibaka already signed with Raptors.
Millsap have 2 good years in front of him, worth 30 mil for sure. But if he lose step at age 35 with 2 years for 65 mil remaining..
As I mentioned other day in the $53 Million thread I'm go for launch on Smart. Excellent D. Outstanding rebounder for a 6'3 6'4 guy. Can rebound with guys 6'7 6'8. Hard compe ive edge type player.
If we can focus this thread on PG's. If you want to bring an idea of landing an allstar PF, can you please also add what PG you would want to complete the team? Ill get working on the SG thread.
I love Smart game. But unsure how we could obtain them. Celtics would want at least Green and more.
Difficult I think as well. Maybe somehow in multi situation if Celtics go all in for Jimmy or Hayward?
The list of potential min PGs is very underwhelming, Mack would be a good option, Felton had a decent season in LA too.
I still haven't given up on Ennis
I wouldn't mind trying to get Waiters. Havent't seen a lot of him but from what I have seen he was playing pretty good ball for Miami prior to his injury. He looks like hes a player whos not afraid to take the big shots and would bring some toughness to the team.
Edit: My bad, wrong message board.
Last edited by spurs2112; 05-23-2017 at 01:02 PM.
Although he's a young player and I think guys are focusing on veterans, every time I have watched him Tyus Jones from Minny has been solid.
if we have to sign a veteran play maker in a wait and see approach for both the healing of the old guy (parker) and the developing of young guy (Murray) I frankly see no better option than re-sign Manu...with the big irony that this time he's gonna be, at least at the beginning of the season, our starting point guard.
I would not mind Manu back frankly considering situation and his veteran experience. I prefer that to Mills.
Mills is not and will never be a point guard...if the off season has shown something is tthat Mils in not a starting point guard.
Not enough ball handling skills and cretive ability.
He's a very good shooter, sometimes capable of create his own shot but not so much when he is adequately guarded, and an under par defensive player.
He's a possible sixth man on a contender but that's his limit imho...pairing him with Green is suicide. Pairing him with Manu is more than ok...if they both starts from the bench.
What makes the most sense about George Hill is that he can play both guards positions.
Anyways, untill the staff really knows the timeline of Parker´s return and what they can do with that contract (assuming whatever they´ll do he will be here when he´s ready to play again), we cannot speculate on what player to sign. Both at PG or SG.
I think the only clear thing right now is that we need to turn Gasol into something usefull.
Georgie will probably come back as he is not only a PG but a SG
Ill take Delisammich as well dude has balls of steel and would be our MVPvs Worriers
!!! I haven't thought of Deli. That er hate them posers for sure.
In case we don't get CP3 or Georgie and Tony retires, personally I like Ish Smith's game tbh. Nice distributor and decent player off the ball. I think he would be a nice backup/starter combined with Murray. He currently is under contract till 2019 at 6M/yr.
I forgot about him. I have added him to the trade section.
I gotta say that 2 things that could limit the Spurs interest in Ish are his 3pt(29% career) and FT(66% career) shooting. So he's not that instant offense coming off the bench a la Patty or what we expected from Patty.
It looks like they are gearing up for the next free agency season not this one. And they do plan to bring everyone back. I hope JSimms can stay, and if you think we are trading LMA, then I have some property by the Pacific Ocean in Idaho to sell you.
Ideally we keep most of our players and we swap Patty for G Hill, to me, that's the best case scenario!
Tony/Hill/Murray
Green/Hill/JSimms
Kawhi/JSimms/KA
LMA/KA/Betrans
Dedmon/Pau
That would be an upgrade. We were good enough to win this year.
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