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Good news is that it'll hurt GS retaining their bench.
Hows it effect the Spurs tbh? Can you blame less revenue from the Cavs/Warriors blowing everyone out and having less games this playoffs?
Good news is that it'll hurt GS retaining their bench.
Less teams with space to give Simmons a crazy deal.
Slightly smaller max deal.
But a lot less margin for CP3. Almost certainly would mean one of Aldridge or Green gone.
And best of all, less room for Rockets and Warriors. Rockets are going to have less space to get a deal done, and almost impossible to keep both Iggy and Livingston.
First impression is a bad one.
This is going to cost them players to free up room they might have been able to hang on to like Forbes or the Simmons cap hold, Milutinov, etc
Last edited by objective; 06-21-2017 at 11:04 PM.
What are the implications of this for the Spurs?
Will we still be able to free up max cap space by dumping Green or will we have to make another move? Does this kill our chances of retaining Simmons if we get Chris Paul? What about Milutinov?
Yeah.. TV has been squeezed. Espn fired ppl.
The resting players scandal in nationally televised games (and we are talking young players not guys in the senior division).
Simmons already got his QO at least.
It does affect Pau for example... he left a lot of money.
I have to consider Dedmon gone.
Dumping bad contracts maybe got a lot tougher?
Beat me to it - this shows how little difference there is between the Clippers and any other team in year 1-4 dollars. It's $6-$7 million. Because player opts out after three years most likely, can start getting 8% raises then too and who knows? Cap could be higher though unlikely.
Press is stupid to keep parroting "leaving $50mm on the table". If this were the NFL, then yes, take the guaranteed money. In the NBA, much more earnings certainty in a few years.
Might make the Spurs more likely to draft and stash.. If Jordan Bell is available I'd rather him, but I could get behind a Jonah Bolden draft and stash over some other guys like dj Wilson, Ivan Rabb, or other any American big left on the board.
Bolden being signed to Cvrena Zvezda, and with the Cvrena Zvezda coach helping the summer league team, it's pretty easy to imagine the Spurs going that way and saving the cap hold.
Livingston would be nice.........
The lower the cap goes, the less it's worth trying to open a max slot. At this point, I'd just look for a PG to split the cap with Pau and call it a day. If you're serious about trading Danny and LMA, do it for value, not for cap. trying to move the Earth for Paul. You aren't going to be better than last year if you do what you have to to get a max contract -- especially if Pop is going to continue to be an idiot about Parker.
I don't get the draft/stash route. Remember if Spurs draft/stash, they still have to replace the players cap hold w/ the 815K roster charge. That's a 600K difference between the roster charge and the rookie cap hold. Barely anything.
I think Spurs also are considering the future w/ trading LA. If they don't see a future w/ him after next year, its best to create space and get an asset to supplement the team with now. Making moves to enhance Kawhi's next 5 years >> playing things close to the vest just for next year.
With the new cap at 99 million, a max to Paul would cost 34.6 million against cap next year opposed to the 35.7 million that was estimated w/ cap at 101 million (IIRC).
A Hayward max would cost 29.7 million oppose to the 30.9 million.
It's enough for them to do. It seems small I agree, but the Spurs might not see it as so small.
Milutinov was stashed during the Aldridge summer. He could have come over easy, he didn't have a buyout issue, and was ready to be the 3rd string center, it's not like Boban played a bunch or stayed out of the d-league. They had squeezed out enough to sign Boban later, well after the agreement letter on the stash. But they had that reserve in case they needed it either for Aldridge or West. It's not like Pop was going to trust a rookie Boban any more than a rookie Milutinov. Better safe than sorry I think might be their approach, have that extra 600k just in case.
I don't know the deadline for both sides to agree in writing that the stashee will stay overseas and can't find it online. For all we know there's a hard deadline of June 30. If that's the case, the Spurs are more likely to be proactive just in case and get a player stashed and off the books.
Scandal? How about the casual fan just realized these guys arent as good as the media claims them to be and are tired of watching a mostly sub par product
I'm sure if someone like Bell or someone valuable that they really liked was still on board at 29, Spurs would draft him still. They wouldn't just auto draft/stash no matter what. There's variables involved in the process. If most of the guys Spurs like are off board when they pick at 29, then yes, draft/stashing makes sense then. Spurs shouldn't know what they intend to do at 29 right now -- it all depends how things play out.
Plus, if you actually do the math, Spurs won't have enough space for a max contract if they renounce Manu, Mills, Pau, DD, Lee. Trade DG. Then draft/stash pick, trade Kyle, trade Forbes. Still not enough. They have to trade another 10+ mil/year guy ( TP or LA). Trade LA and you get to keep pick, keep Kyle, keep Forbes/Bertans and have close to 50 mil in space.
With Pau declining option.
SA renouncing Manu, Pau, Mills, Dedmon, Lee.
SA trading DG.
Simmons cap hold at 1.67 mil
Spurs should be at 29,376,682 in space.
After that SA has options: If SA trades Kyle -- that's just creates 1.5 mil in space. Bringing us at 30.8 million. Then draft and stash the 29th -- that adds another 600K in space, which brings us at 31.4 million in space. Trading Forbes -- only saves around 100K (same w/ Bertans), which brings us at 31.5 million in space ( still not enough for CP3 Max).
However if SA trades LA and gets back a top 20 pick ( 2-4 million cap hold) that should create another 17-19 million in space, bringing SA to 46-49 million in space. Enough to sign CP3, re-sign Pau then SA can go over cap to re-sign or match Simmons -- all while keeping the pick, Anderson, Forbes/Bertans. Spurs can re-sign Manu and Lee to the minimum after all dust settles too.
Last edited by MaNu4Tres; 06-22-2017 at 07:31 AM.
This basically means the Spurs need to trade LMA to do something meaningful this postseason. And I believe the Warriors are ed
Wow - that's lower than all the "lowered estimates" I had seen.
That's the main point in this new number...gow does it affect gs?
"cord cutting" is hurting all the cable media corps, and will continue. I get promo paper mail every week from Spectrum
That's what happens when you have two teams nearly sweeping the playoffs. Warriors/Cavs really are breaking the NBA.
Maybe this is why the Spurs are shopping LMA - even though hes your 2nd best player?
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