A one man team with Jeff Green as its second best player and the guy Iverson stepped over as the head coach beat the "genius" wunderkid's squad (a much deeper team) in their own building where they haven't lost all post-season. NBA coaches are glorified babysitters. Not much more.
It's definitely overplayed as a topic..I think it definitely matters when creating a system and culture, but everybody would agree that talent always wins in the end..it's the reason I turned on Pop, because people perceive all his moves as genius
There's too much dissecting of coaching, though..everybody looks for a reason to blame a coach in every loss..Brett Brown, Kerr, D'Antoni..I'm sure Stevens is getting some blame for this, despite being reliant on Terry Rozier..
Like I said in the last debate on this topic, the "chess game" is played in the Summer and at the FA deadline. The Xs and Os component is highly overrated.It's definitely overplayed as a topic..I think it definitely matters when creating a system and culture, but everybody would agree that talent always wins in the end..it's the reason I turned on Pop, because people perceive all his moves as genius
There's too much dissecting of coaching, though..everybody looks for a reason to blame a coach in every loss..Brett Brown, Kerr, D'Antoni..I'm sure Stevens is getting some blame for this, despite being reliant on Terry Rozier..
This, tbh.It's definitely overplayed as a topic..I think it definitely matters when creating a system and culture, but everybody would agree that talent always wins in the end..it's the reason I turned on Pop, because people perceive all his moves as genius
There's too much dissecting of coaching, though..everybody looks for a reason to blame a coach in every loss..Brett Brown, Kerr, D'Antoni..I'm sure Stevens is getting some blame for this, despite being reliant on Terry Rozier..
The Warriors would still be a cute little second round team with Curry and Thompson taking turns playing pick and rolls with David Lee if Mark Jackson was still there.
Fully agree that in-game coaching is extremely overrated..if you go on any NBA forum, you'll see that literally every fanbase complains that their coach doesn't make enough in-game adjustments
I disagree with you about creating a system, though..I think it does make a difference when somebody like Kerr or Stevens joins a team and creates a system for them to utilize..
However, once the players know the system and buy into it, the coach becomes mostly irrelevant..you could replace Kerr with Lkrfan and it wouldn't matter, since his players already know everything there is to know, at this point..
Talent ultimately wins, though, of course..even a team like the 2014 Spurs was loaded with talent, it just didn't look conventional due to the lack of traditional, volume-shooting scorers..
I agree about the creation of systems compatible with the roster's skillset and mentality (i.e. Derek Rose not wanting to play in the triangle because it took the ball out of his hands) being highly important. Where I take issue is when fans think Stevens, Pop, etc invented some magic voodoo system out of thin air that completely takes fellow NBA coaches by surprise. As I said, we know what works and what doesn't in the NBA, meaning there's an open book on all these "systems." Stevens isn't going to run anything that will take Brown by surprise. What ultimately matters is execution. Even Pop admitted to not watching game film (quote, "No point. Everyone in this league knows what every else is going to do.") He just wanted to make sure the Spurs executed better than the next team.Fully agree that in-game coaching is extremely overrated..if you go on any NBA forum, you'll see that literally every fanbase complains that their coach doesn't make enough in-game adjustments
I disagree with you about creating a system, though..I think it does make a difference when somebody like Kerr or Stevens joins a team and creates a system for them to utilize..
However, once the players know the system and buy into it, the coach becomes mostly irrelevant..you could replace Kerr with Lkrfan and it wouldn't matter, since his players already know everything there is to know, at this point..
Talent ultimately wins, though, of course..even a team like the 2014 Spurs was loaded with talent, it just didn't look conventional due to the lack of traditional, volume-shooting scorers..
Only league where coaching can change the outcomes of championship games is the NFL. I could never see Pats winning les with Garrett
Same is true for personal trainers and coaches as well. If you have a personal trainer, once you know their regimen and system, you don't really need them except to push you along. That's what coaches do once the system is taught. There are some little strings they can pull like timeout management and player minute management but that's for the assistants (minutes). Coaches have to be able to read body language and know their guys. Brad is ok, but he's very much a "let it unfold" coach who doesn't micromanage like Pop does. Pop thinks he's a point guard, calling every play on offense.Fully agree that in-game coaching is extremely overrated..if you go on any NBA forum, you'll see that literally every fanbase complains that their coach doesn't make enough in-game adjustments
I disagree with you about creating a system, though..I think it does make a difference when somebody like Kerr or Stevens joins a team and creates a system for them to utilize..
However, once the players know the system and buy into it, the coach becomes mostly irrelevant..you could replace Kerr with Lkrfan and it wouldn't matter, since his players already know everything there is to know, at this point..
Talent ultimately wins, though, of course..even a team like the 2014 Spurs was loaded with talent, it just didn't look conventional due to the lack of traditional, volume-shooting scorers..
But it's not just the game. Talent assessment and benchmarks are important, and some coaches excel at it while some leave you scratching your head with some of their subs utions or starters.
"Just gotta keep battlin'!"
-the "mastermind" behind the league's #1 offense
I've bee on this mindset since 2013 though. I remeber when I wasnt the biggest of Parker fans a few losers was shocked that I was saying the teams offense is completely reliant on Parker and Manu penetrating to facilitate the beautiful game.
Its Why I hate the current spurs culture. I a sport where coaching hardly matters, Greg Poppvich gets the bulk of credit. Its maddening.
People wonder why top Players dont play for SA and Why Leonard is wanting out. Lol.
Dumbtoni just watched his team chuck and miss 23 threes in a row and didn't do anything about it.
Coaching matters.
What was he supposed to do, though? Harden and Gordon are their only creators with Paul out..everybody else is a role player waiting to shoot open 3s..
mic'd up moments after commercials arent allowed to show x's and o's talk. this is a tired, played out shtick"Just gotta keep battlin'!"
-the "mastermind" behind the league's #1 offense
"C'mon, guys, runs HORNS again! Let's gogogogo."
People overthink basketball's complexity.
you watched some coach nick videos 3 years ago and think u know it all
Funny enough, Coach Nick is one of the problems in that regard. As is Lowe, etc. It's finding patterns post-hoc that don't really exist. I get it, 24/7 blog/vlog cycle. You need to talk/write about.
Tyron Lue in the huddle, "You all know I got stepped over by A.I., don't ya? Anyhow, what we gonna run is an iso with Bron going from the top of the 3 point line. All you shooters stand around the outside so you give my man space to do his thing. Tristan, if they try to make my man go left, come up an set a pick to free him up. You all know what to do. Same thing we ran the last same 50 possession. Hands together. Cleveland Strong!"
The coach did his work during training camp and practices. During the game it's just pressing "play" and hoping for the best. Anyone here who thinks a coach controls the game tempo and should call plays like the NFL offensive coordinator does has watched Pop too long. Most coaches don't coach like that.
Says the guy that thinks putting in a left handed pitcher to face a left handed batter is some rocket science .
That's where a coach proves his worth. He's like your personal trainer example. He's there to motivate his players to stay sharp and focused as he runs them through his particular "system," (which themselves aren't anything complex). There's only one sport that really deserves the "chess match" metaphor: Football. And that's not even as complex as people make it out to be.
Never claimed that. Managers also have little control over in-game adjustments, which you would know if you understood baseball even at a t-ball level.Says the guy that thinks putting in a left handed pitcher to face a left handed batter is some rocket science .
Well I do understand that. I'm just saying that you over the years have been hyping up baseball as some sort of sophisticated tactical game when it isn't.
They missed because he overplayed the starters all year
Hardly every played joe Johnson in playoffs
Furthermore, my argument for baseball's sophistication has always been on the long term strategical side of things. It is much more difficult to build a good baseball team than a good basketball team. The levels of roster building difficulty aren't in the same universe. There's more to complexity in sports than cute little diagrams and formations in a playbook.
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Houston was just killed by injuries, that's all there is to it..not just Paul, but Mbah a Moute never recovering from his shoulder injury was huge, as well..that would have given them another rotation piece and would have prevented Ryan Anderson from seeing the floor tonight..
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