https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-...005335575.html
spurs get money from insurance and also maybe could pick someone else
if this is true he is a real loser
Posted this part yesterday
" Popovich begged Leonard to let him announce to the media that the forward would be forced to sit out the season due to his injury, according to sources with knowledge of the situation. Believing he'd eventually return, Leonard declined each time, leaving Popovich to field queries from the media that he couldn't definitively answer. Popovich simply didn't know."
Where did it say the Spurs could collect insurance money and pick someone else? But, assuming the insurance statement is correct, the insurance company would have required proof meaning all the medical reports which would have exposed him as a fraud. No wonder he resisted the Spurs listing him as disabled
They were already making trade demands back then, putting 2 and 2 together. Listing him as out would've dampened trade interest (ironic I know) at the deadline.
This is the beginning, the middle, and the end:
I remember seeing it yesterday.
This is one of those bits of information that makes me believe that injury was very real (and I believe was at the source of the problem... Like slavery triggering the civil war). Who knows how he is doing from that injury really...
He wasn’t injured. Bill Simmons has talked about this like 3 different times that he has sources that have told him Kawhi’s camp shopped around to find a doctor that would say he was injured.He mentioned it yesterday on his pod again.He said he heard that he went to 6-7 different doctors before he finally found the NY doctor that told him what he wanted.
Pop wanted to announce he was out for the season to salvage last year. It seems the locker room was divided, the media was constantly asking about him, and it seems it was taking a toll on everyone.If they were able to just end the saga then and say he was out it would have shut all of that down.
That's what pop and the spurs FO were after as well... The required proof of medical records.
Which is why leonard declined.
So he shopped around to fake an injury? Meanwhile he didn't show up to support the team on the bench? WTF?
So he faked the limp? And the diagnosis that the spurs docs then agreed with? Amazing talent *sarcasm
Simmons isn't really a great source of info though. I still firmly believe that Kawhi's injured in a way that would have allowed him to play but removed his All-World upside.
Bill is pretty plugged into the NBA circles. Jalen, Red , Morey, the Celtic connection, etc.Sometimes he speculates but usually makes it very clear that is what he is doing.In regards to the shopping for doctors, he has said that he has heard from sources that is what happened.I think Bill holds weight in that regard.
I don't think he does. I sure don't think he knows why Kawhi shopped for the doctors.
you're right. Let's just all speculate on here with all the sources we all have.
The injury remains paramount. Teams were making crap offers, with return well below what the 1 year rental of a 'top 5' player would command. NBA GMs deal with asshole agents all the time. This guy missed 73 games last season and whatever injury he had, it was serious enough for a severe falling out between a star player otherwise known for his commitment and a well-regarded organization. The Sixers had good intel on Leonard's health, and it seems likely that whatever permission was needed for his info to officially be shared with the Sixers was granted - and they still did not improve their offer, even knowing Toronto was in the lead and he would otherwise be headed into their conference.
Sure, between Philly and Boston both could view life post-LeBron as an easier path to the Finals, no need to break up good young cores to take a chance on a player who at best will take a 1 year rental to recover his elite game before bolting next summer. Or perhaps there's something more...
That COULD be true. But it could also be true that he knew that something was wrong and doctors just weren't seeing it or finding it so he kept searching until he found one that did. Idk how it is with injuries, but I got an illness one time overseas and when I got back I had a really bad cough for a couple of months and doctors here couldn't figure out what was wrong because they weren't used to seeing that specific illness. Not saying that's the case with Kawhi bc well illness doesn't really pertain to it it's an injury we're talking about, but it could be a rare one that the doctors were missing something. Again, not saying it's true just saying it does happen.
I agree with everything you are saying. In one of the podcast that was brought up though and Bill said that it was not framed like that him. I have no sources and I don't think anyone on this board does either. But I do know that Bill is really plugged into the NBA and does talk to people, so I think it’s silly to write this off especially when he’s mentioned it now several times on different podcast
Leonard was on the trade block what, six weeks? That's a long time in the NBA, enough time for teams to devote the time and resources to do their diligence. Even with the prospect of a 1 year rental, the offers we saw were absolute crap up until Toronto's, which wasn't exciting considering where Leonard's game was at last year. But it was the best and the Spurs took it.
People often don't want to accept the verdict of the market, but it is what it is - there are serious questions about Leonard and I think his health is central to those concerns.
Again we still don’t know the OFFICIAL diagnosis. There’s speculation from both sides what they thought it was but we still
don’t know...
Someone please tell me so if I’m wrong
Right. And for that reason I don't think it's fair to say he sat out all year because he didn't want to play. That's accusing when we really just don't know. But I do think it's fair to say he could have handled it like a professional and there's a good chance it would have never come down to this.
It's as easy as "Hey coach, I know the Spurs doctors are great and they're saying nothing's wrong, but I am absolutely sure there's an underlying issue that's wrong here and I'd like to seek out treatment from outside sources until I get to the bottom of it."
for all we know it could just be the case where we're so concerned about the injury we just don't want to play him longterm and saw the Toronto trade as a way out. Again, we still really don't know much. All I will blame Kawhi for, is not being a man and speaking for himself. That is the origin of this problem it's allowed all of us to speculate for months.
Being skeptical - if I'm a NBA GM and I see this situation play out, where all of a sudden the franchise player, one of the best in the league (and up to this point with a hard-working, good rep), and the most stable team organization with a championship pedigree in the league have a public falling out because of an injury, its treatment and the player's rehabilitation, with the player demanding to be traded and the team willing to trade him, does this look right? What do both parties know that nobody else does?
Why the rush to be traded? Why the rush to trade? He's a free agent in a year. Players play out the final year of a contract before entering free agency all the time.
Sure, relationships between players and coaches and players and front offices change and can sour over time. Looking at the various bits of info starting to emerge, Uncle Denny was indeed making ridiculous demands and creating drama. Still, is that enough to dump a player who otherwise is top 5 caliber and who presumably will get back to that level when he returns to the court? Especially when maybe you got 50 cents on the dollar in that trade?
It still doesn't add up.
Makes sense if (1) Toronto didn't want to hold on to DeRozan's contract (2) Leonard is injured long term. In short, both teams got what they wanted.
People keep thinking that both teams were trying to get a deal. Perhaps both teams wanted to get out of bad contracts!
so bill Simmons got access to not only the Celtics behind the act but the spurs. Ok gotcha. I never liked that mutha ducks. If he died tomorrow id probably smile
Those last 9 games he play as a Spur in the highlights I didn't really see anything wrong with him, he looked healthy ready to play the season out.
Anyway have fun in Toronto Kawhi and if you go to Lakers have fun being LeBron's new toy.
This.
I have serious conserns about Kawhi and so glad we did not come to a deal teh SPurs would accept.
I refuse to buy he was faking injury, is now 100% and that this is all on Pop/the FO.
I know it was just a pressor but listening to Pop yesterdaty tells me there is more to this story.
Spurs will move on and be fine but the ceiling sure got lower with Kawhi's exit.
Not buying this was strictly a culture/lets end this saga move.
He looked good not great in those games to my eye test.
BEfore that remember the last time we saw Kawhi he was giving Golden state the business.
That was two years ago.
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