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He isn't a Top 30 player of all time tbh. Top 30 most influential? Definitely. At least Top 50 of all time, however.
Shannon believes Manu at best is a top 75 player of all time. He also mentions that Tony Parker was better than Manu.
He isn't a Top 30 player of all time tbh. Top 30 most influential? Definitely. At least Top 50 of all time, however.
I don't think this should be a problem. I think after 15 or so, I don't really care about ranking total players. Manu was great, obviously, but where he stacks up against guys from all era? No idea. So long as he makes the HoF in the first three ballots, I don't really care.
I also think you can argue that Parker has a better resume than Manu does, especially if you skew it toward NBA accomplishments. I would rather have Manu at any stage of his career than Tony at that same stage of his career, but Tony certainly gets underrated by Spurs fans nowadays.
Manu's legacy is going to hear a lot of these criticisms because he sacrificed statistics and accolades for the good of the team.
On paper, he was "only" a two-time All-Star and two-time 3rd-team All-NBA (as well as 6MOtY). Compared to other first ballot players...that's pretty low standards.
Sure, he could've put up bigger stats and gotten more individual awards on another team or if he demanded to start...but he chose to play for championships instead, and he racked up four of those (and several other seasons where the Spurs had a legitimate chance).
In the next two or three generations, casual fans will just look at Manu's box scores and wonder why he was so highly regarded. But every player who played against him or fan who ever watched him in his prime understands and appreciates the value of Manu Ginobili.
Unless you go analyzing player by player, it is impossible to know who ranks where outside the top 15/20 players ever. Manu must be top 50, top 40 for sure though. That "top 75 at best" is pure ignorance.
Just check my sig for semirelated content.
Why do we care what football players think? NBA players would disagree.
Skip may be the best troll of all time.
Pretty spot on
Very knowledgeable guy
Ppl still disagree Parker >> Manu???
Basically this. Manu was never a hyped up superstar the way even marginal stars are hyped these days (*cough* Blake Griffin *cough*). And he was selfless to win at all costs. He accomplished that goal. If he was the George Gervin of another team and there as the only major star, playing 40 minutes a night, he would have probably dropped 60 point at least once and had much better numbers, like the numbers Kawhi had 2 years ago when he was featured in SA.
That being said, players are the ones whose opinion matters most (second closely by good coaches who ahve to game plan against players). So if players think he's the real deal, he likely is, because they had to guard the guy.
There are other SGs that should be 3-5 on there. Some quickly to think of are Wade and Kobe. Probably Curry already. Probably Iverson (theyre both short but actually SGs in PG body).
Love Manu but he's not top 30 NBA players (if not including international play).
Only long-term Spurs that are Top 30 all time are Tim, David and Ice. LMA and Kawhi have outside chances if you factor in their work for other teams. (obviously in KL's case it remains to seen how he does on other teams). And obviously there are some greats that had short stays here (Moses, Dominique, Rodman etc)
On every fan forum players get ranked far higher than they are going to be historically ranked. Manu isn't a top 30 player all time. Not sure he cracks the top 50.
Curry isn't a SG. Also, that's not an arbitrary list. I just posted where Manu ranks among SG's in the all-time list of those stats.
Shannon Sharpe is a knowledgeable guy. Skip otoh is a moron. He went from saying Kawhi surpassed Lebron, to Kawhi not even being the best player in the east lol....
top 30 is pushing it, top 75 is pushing it
Of course he wasn’t.
Sharpe and Carter must be suffering with CTE! But all jokes aside, yeah, these guys may be former jocks/professional athletes, but as NFL'ers, they don't have the full grasp/insight of the NBA, in my opinion. Manu DOES deserve 1st ballot in the Basketball Hall of Fame, especially with all of the accolades he's accomplished in his basketball career that not even Michael Jordan, Kobe nor Lebron James have accomplished. Now, aside from his 4 NBA les; his 2 time all star appearances; his 6th man of the year award; 2 time all NBA 3rd Team Award; his Euroleague, FIBA & Italian MVP Awards, but aside from that, he is an Olympic Gold Champion; a Euroleague Champion, & an Italian League Champion. Manu is loaded with awards!!! But alongside Bill Bradley, a HOF'er himself, they are the only two players in basketball, including the NBA, who share winning in major championship les such as the NBA, Euroleague & Olympics! NBA players,who have chimmed in on Manu's retirement, know who they have played with and against, & that's a great compe or with a BIG heart whom they are all acknowledging him as being a HOF'er. To Manu, Argentinian & SAS fans, we know how important he was to the teams he played for which we love, follow & root for as well. He will always be one of our best players in our hearts & minds, no matter what former NFL player, or anyone for that matter, will think about him! Manu's influence on & off the court is off the charts! No Manu in basketball would make for a big difference in basketball history, period! GSG!!!
Holy Shannon. "a good player"
GTFO what a joke
lol enrique>evita?
give evita the green light to chuck and u see the difference between him and enrique
enrique hasnt proven outside of the sperms system, remember when he tried to prove his to the mass only to be shut down by a superior player or team adjustment, yet that clown is the reason why the spurs are always backdoor sweep or fail in elimination games
for your signature, you are aware that Hall of famer Sam Jones has 10 rings right?
Tony Parker was better than Manu but Manu was, obviously, also great
Manu may not be a top 30 player of all-time, but the difference is he was better than a lot of the players ahead of him in crunch time. With the game on the line, in my opinion he's easily inside the top 50. Not sure at what spot, but he's definitely in the top 50. A lot of those guys that have great stats in the regular season weren't that great in the playoffs, especially in the biggest games and the biggest moments like Manu was. Manu did a lot more than nearly all of them when the pressure was at the highest, especially in his prime, he came through for the team most of the time. Obviously he wasn't as good when he started to decline physically, but again, he was still better than guys that are going to be ranked ahead of him.
I'll always take a guy like Manu who performs in the clutch, and/or in the biggest moments, particularly the playoffs when the pressure it at it's highest rather than someone like Malone (sorry Karl, you're the first guy that came to mind) who doesn't perform anywhere near as well in those same situations. Harden is another example, most people would probably say Harden is a better overall player than Manu was, but I'd never choose Harden over a prime Manu if you're looking to win a big game that can help you win the Championship.
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Looks like Urkel all grown up.
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