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DJ InstaThot has potential but his jump shot needs improvement
Tbh, he’s long and athletic and he had some moments during the playoffs last year but I don’t get why everyone including the mainstream media (which never gives the Spurs players any props) labeled him as the second coming. He is totally unproven. At this point Derrick White has shown much more that he can be a go to anchor and steady scorer, distributor and defender than InstaMurray. I don’t really see a place for Murray when he comes back unless the Spurs unload DDR. Keeping DDR, Murray and Aldridge as starters would put too many bad long-range shooters on the starting roster and make us a perpetually small lineup but without the ability to shoot. I don’t see it working out. Either DDR or DJInsta will have to go but White isn’t going anywhere.
DJ InstaThot has potential but his jump shot needs improvement
He can improve it about as much as Dwight Howard can.
If he busts next season and forces White to take a step back in development, Murray is going to be hated on a la 2015-17 Porker..
Murray is young, an elite defender, a great finisher, arguably the most athletic player on the team (Walker being the only rival) and you people are suggesting we get rid of him. Wake up! Him and White will be one of the most dynamic back courts next year and for years to come. I for one can't wait to see them clamp down on the likes of the splash brothers. You guys seem to worry about how they fit the way other teams play, the Spurs have never played to the trends of the league, our playing style evolves with the strength of our roster. Next year look for our fast break points to increase and back court defensive pressure to increase because that is the dynamic Murray will bring.
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Thank you for saving me from posting how I felt on this thread. People on here are acting like these young players are 5 or 6 year vets or something. Lol. Players can get better even some long in the tooth vets. These guys are still on rookie deals and people are basing them already
I think the jury is still out. Shooting is one skill that can definitely be improved.
I have been arguing since the beginning of the new (calendar) year that DeMar should be moved and his salary dedicated to the SF position - 1 or even 2 players. IF Dijon has developed a 3-ball, DeMar is the expendable player. But I think we all know that Pop isn't going to move the prize he got in the Number 2 trade.
For now derozan is better than Murray..spurs can’t move demar unless they trade him for an allstar caliber player.
aldridg and derozan are stiil the two best players on team.
That's the consensus opinion. But DeMar is not an all-star, and it is folly to expect him to fetch an all-star in trade. He is not worth $27MM or worthy of being the highest paid player on the team. As I said, I hope he spends several thousand hours in the gym with Chip this offseason. He needs a good 3-ball.
but demar is still better than Murray.. for now spurs can’t remove demar for murray .. it’s either white or Murray..
Uh he accomplished making the all nba defensive team in his second year, something Kawhi leonard did not even do. What kind of stupid thread is this
It is definitely NOT White OR Murray. Those guys are the keepers. Yeah, DeMar is better at the moment on offense, but Murray is definitely better on defense.
You follow the New England Patriots at all?
demar is the better player than Murray..we have white now who is a good defender so we don’t need Murray who doesn’t have any offense.
its white or Murray..
if murray prove he’sa Better player than demar next season then I will agree with you.
Stop talking as if we’ve seen his progress or lack of progress.. Just wait and see!! Damn.. focus on this season for now.
so you consider White a better player than Derozan?
I do think people remember Murray as being better than he was. Offensively, he was very limited, and in most games, he'd score only exclusively on put-backs. Sure, he had his highlights on drives, but he was also way too skinny to finish through contact most of the time. He could collect 10 or 12 points without you realizing it because of how many rebounds he tip in, but for a starting point guard, those "quiet points" don't really make sense. Defensively, he was much less consistent than White. Murray had some really high-steal or high-block games, but 55 or his 81 games last year had one or no steals, and 56 games had him not get a single block. In 42 games, he got one or no steals AND zero blocks. This does not count deflections that didn't end up as a block or steal, actually, and it would be unfair not to mention that even the threat of him getting in the passing lanes eventually changed ways teams approached passing around him. But Murray was a young guy who had his share of defensive duds mixed in with some really great performances.
He also had below-average man-defense stats (which NBA.com has taken down [for all players, not just DeJounte] this year for some reason). Maybe in a more esoteric way, Murray was a superman for the defense, but he wasn't a shut-down guy. He was much more like a big who happens to be a guard than he was a legit wing stopper. That's mostly fine, because one-on-one D is not as important nowadays. But people will look at White's tremendous man-D and think, "Well Murray had higher defensive metrics, so he must have been doing what White was doing but better," when in reality, they do different things on the court on both ends, not just offensively. Also, Murray gets a disproportionate amount of credit for the defense last year. He was a big part, but he was part of a roster with multiple elite defenders. Green and Anderson were elite impact defenders two years ago, and they are still elite this year.
Obviously, this isn't a reason to attack Murray. I actually really like his leadership, even if it's just for the cameras. A team of introverted people needs a spokesperson. The LMA incident might be overstated, but the willingness to step in is important for a guy who wants to be the face of the franchise long term. On the court, what he's good at, he's REALLY good at. If he can become solid in the critical guard areas while remaining where he is in the others, he could be a really good individual player. But the player he was in 2017-2018 isn't an instant starter. Replace that Murray with this White, and the D remains elite while the offense becomes more dynamic. Murray's energy, rebounding and defense could really help a bench that has trouble boarding and has no one on the perimeter who would even be average on defense. He still get to share the court with White, and in that time, they could start to develop chemistry. If they can find a way to score at a good pace with those guys together, then you can think of starting Murray. But White should have the in bent advantage going into camp, not DeJounte.
not yet..if white can score 20pts a game on a consistent basis then we have a discussion.
We’ll know it next season.
Last edited by skin27; 03-17-2019 at 11:17 AM.
White is significantly older and we only know he is this good because of injury... He wasn't even playing to the beginning of the season...
Last year when he was playing a good bit of ppl on here were bashing him...
My point being white is now about 25, and we only know how good he is because he got a lot of playing time this season be necessity (I'm on record for wanting him to be played rotation minutes since his rookie year)... We have no idea what Murray would have brought since he is injured, and let's not forget he is a lot younger... In 2/3 years i see Murray being putting up numbers at least as good as White's
I have a feeling murray will start and white will come off the bench next season.
Truth nuke.
A starting line-up of Murray,White, DDR, LMA, and Poetel is a decent starting line-up. White has range for 3s as does LMA for a power-forward. Murray in the post season and preseason was also showing improved shooting. DDR is hesitant to shoot threes but isn't bad at it. Its a dynamic line-up that can effectively shoot threes is they are there but isn't ridiculously long shot happy like so much of the league. All of the long rebounds lead to lots of fast break points as well.
Add in a second unit that is 3 point strong with gunners some of whom deservebfairly heavy minutes like Bertans (can match up with power forwards and a lot of small forwards.) and Gay (would be a starter but durability questions and his leadership heading the second unit). The team does have a lack of a natural small forward, but I argue DDR over the next 2 or 3 years is going to match up better there than as a 2 and bertans and gay are both good for some pretty regular minutes in that role.
Last edited by Gagnrath; 03-17-2019 at 12:14 PM.
So gay is the one who will come off the bench?
Why does it have to be one or the other with so many of you?
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