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    “Each day of this public health crisis brings a new example. People thrown in jail for minor offenses? San Antonio is one of many jurisdictions to announce that, to keep jails from being crowded with sick citizens, they’ll stop doing that. Why were they doing it in the first place?”

    Maybe it will be the hand sanitizer that finally exposes the sham.

    The Transportation Security Administration announced Friday that due to the coronavirus outbreak, it’s waiving the familiar 3.4-ounce limit for liquids and gels—for hand sanitizer only.* You may now bring a bottle of Purell as large as 12 ounces onto the plane to assist in your constant sanitizing of yourself, your family, your seat, your bag of peanuts, and everything else. All other liquids and gels, however, are still restricted to 3.4 ounces.

    Among many shocks of the past week—school closures, Tom Hanks, the shuttering of one sports league after another—this rule change registers as major. The liquid restriction has been a key component of air travel ever since 2006. If people are now allowed to bring 12-ounce bottles of hand sanitizer onto planes, won’t the planes blow up?

    The TSA can declare this rule change because the limit was always arbitrary, just one of the countless rituals of security theater to which air passengers are subjected every day. Flights are no more dangerous today, with the hand sanitizer, than yesterday, and if the TSA allowed you to bring 12 ounces of shampoo on a flight tomorrow, flights would be no more dangerous then. The limit was bull . The ease with which the TSA can toss it aside makes that clear.

    All over America, the coronavirus is revealing, or at least reminding us, just how much of contemporary American life is bull , with power structures built on punishment and fear as opposed to our best interest. Whenever the government or a corporation benevolently withdraws some punitive threat because of the coronavirus, it’s a signal that there was never any good reason for that threat to exist in the first place.

    Each day of this public health crisis brings a new example. People thrown in jail for minor offenses? San Antonio is one of many jurisdictions to announce that, to keep jails from being crowded with sick citizens, they’ll stop doing that. Why were they doing it in the first place?

    The federal government charging interest on loans to attend college? Well, Donald Trump has instructed government agencies who administer loans to waive interest accrual for the duration of the crisis. But why on earth is our government charging its own citizens interest anyway?

    Broadband data caps and throttled internet? Those have been eliminated by AT&T and other internet service providers, because of the coronavirus. But data caps and throttling were really just veiled price hikes that served no real technical purpose. Why did we put up with them?

    Police helping landlords evict tenants in times of financial trouble? Due to the coronavirus, not anymore in New York, Miami, and New Orleans. But—and you see where this is going—why do the police aid evictions when tenants are stricken with other, noncoronavirus illnesses?

    The city shutting off your water, or your power, as punishment for hardship? During this public health emergency, plenty of cities and companies have suddenly found a way to keep service turned on. “As long as COVID-19 remains a health concern,” said Detroit Mayor Mike Duggan, “no Detroit resident should have concerns about whether their water service will be interrupted.” Why in the should any Detroit resident have concerns about their water service being interrupted, ever? Shouldn’t clean water be the absolute base level of service delivered by a city to its residents?

    Sick employees forced to take unpaid leave or work while sick if they want to keep their jobs? Walmart recently announced it would provide up to two weeks of paid leave for any employee who contracts the coronavirus. And the House just passed a bill to address the problem, though as the New York Times editorial board notes, the House’s failure to make the bill universal “is an embarrassment that endangers the health of workers, consumers and the broader American public.” But why should any sick worker fear losing their pay or their job at any time? And why are the most vulnerable to punitive sick leave practices the workers making the lowest wages?

    In every single one of these cases, it’s not just that most of these practices are accepted as “standard.” It’s that they are a way to punish people, to make lives more difficult, or to make sure that money keeps flowing upward. Up until now, activists and customers have been meant to believe that the powers that be could never change these policies—it would be too expensive, or too unwieldy, or would simply upset the way things are done. But now, faced suddenly with an environment in which we’re all supposed to at least appear to be focused on the common good, the rule-makers have decided it’s OK to suspend them. It’s a crisis, after all. Everyone’s got to do their part.

    ....

    (rest of article here: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...ave-rules.html )

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    Maybe it will be the hand sanitizer that finally exposes the sham.

    The Transportation Security Administration announced Friday that due to the coronavirus outbreak, it’s waiving the familiar 3.4-ounce limit for liquids and gels—for hand sanitizer only.* You may now bring a bottle of Purell as large as 12 ounces onto the plane to assist in your constant sanitizing of yourself, your family, your seat, your bag of peanuts, and everything else. All other liquids and gels, however, are still restricted to 3.4 ounces.

    Among many shocks of the past week—school closures, Tom Hanks, the shuttering of one sports league after another—this rule change registers as major. The liquid restriction has been a key component of air travel ever since 2006. If people are now allowed to bring 12-ounce bottles of hand sanitizer onto planes, won’t the planes blow up?

    The TSA can declare this rule change because the limit was always arbitrary, just one of the countless rituals of security theater to which air passengers are subjected every day. Flights are no more dangerous today, with the hand sanitizer, than yesterday, and if the TSA allowed you to bring 12 ounces of shampoo on a flight tomorrow, flights would be no more dangerous then. The limit was bull . The ease with which the TSA can toss it aside makes that clear.

    All over America, the coronavirus is revealing, or at least reminding us, just how much of contemporary American life is bull , with power structures built on punishment and fear as opposed to our best interest. Whenever the government or a corporation benevolently withdraws some punitive threat because of the coronavirus, it’s a signal that there was never any good reason for that threat to exist in the first place.

    Each day of this public health crisis brings a new example. People thrown in jail for minor offenses? San Antonio is one of many jurisdictions to announce that, to keep jails from being crowded with sick citizens, they’ll stop doing that. Why were they doing it in the first place?

    The federal government charging interest on loans to attend college? Well, Donald Trump has instructed government agencies who administer loans to waive interest accrual for the duration of the crisis. But why on earth is our government charging its own citizens interest anyway?

    Broadband data caps and throttled internet? Those have been eliminated by AT&T and other internet service providers, because of the coronavirus. But data caps and throttling were really just veiled price hikes that served no real technical purpose. Why did we put up with them?

    Police helping landlords evict tenants in times of financial trouble? Due to the coronavirus, not anymore in New York, Miami, and New Orleans. But—and you see where this is going—why do the police aid evictions when tenants are stricken with other, noncoronavirus illnesses?

    The city shutting off your water, or your power, as punishment for hardship? During this public health emergency, plenty of cities and companies have suddenly found a way to keep service turned on. “As long as COVID-19 remains a health concern,” said Detroit Mayor Mike Duggan, “no Detroit resident should have concerns about whether their water service will be interrupted.” Why in the should any Detroit resident have concerns about their water service being interrupted, ever? Shouldn’t clean water be the absolute base level of service delivered by a city to its residents?

    Sick employees forced to take unpaid leave or work while sick if they want to keep their jobs? Walmart recently announced it would provide up to two weeks of paid leave for any employee who contracts the coronavirus. And the House just passed a bill to address the problem, though as the New York Times editorial board notes, the House’s failure to make the bill universal “is an embarrassment that endangers the health of workers, consumers and the broader American public.” But why should any sick worker fear losing their pay or their job at any time? And why are the most vulnerable to punitive sick leave practices the workers making the lowest wages?

    In every single one of these cases, it’s not just that most of these practices are accepted as “standard.” It’s that they are a way to punish people, to make lives more difficult, or to make sure that money keeps flowing upward. Up until now, activists and customers have been meant to believe that the powers that be could never change these policies—it would be too expensive, or too unwieldy, or would simply upset the way things are done. But now, faced suddenly with an environment in which we’re all supposed to at least appear to be focused on the common good, the rule-makers have decided it’s OK to suspend them. It’s a crisis, after all. Everyone’s got to do their part.

    ....

    (rest of article here: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...ave-rules.html )
    Way to twist it. The SA jail not admitting non violent offenders is not the same as minor offenses. Example DWI, auto theft, arson, home burglars, etc. It was done not because they were MINOR offenses but because they are trying to protect the inmates already there from a corona carrier getting admitted and causing an outbreak.

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    Just give me & Girl our 2k.

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    dont forget the 2 party “democratic” system

    the biggest sham of all

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    dont forget the 2 party “democratic” system

    the biggest sham of all

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    Hope you can pay all your bills for a month, maybe a month and a half on 2K and get groceries

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    RG, the border works both ways, North and South.

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    Bend over, RG. I'll show ya a in' sham.

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    RG, the border works both ways, North and South.
    Here's your ticket. buh-bye felicia.


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    [ignores entire thrust of arguments, quibbles over some lazy wording in a quote]
    Ok, I guess. You are right about the lazy wording in the quote.

    Now what?

    Can we talk about the actual ideas? Or is that too much of an ask?

    This thing will lay bare a lot of conservative hypocrisy for a lot of people. At every step in modern life conservative policies make things worse, and this whole "fire the pandemic team to save a few bucks" thing is the icing on that -cake.

    Republicans- -Trump-party sucks at governing. We pay for their mistakes over and over and over.

    People like you have enabled this.
    epublicans like me built this moment. Then we looked the other way.

    By Stuart StevensMarch 18, 2020 at 8:00 a.m. EDT
    Stuart Stevens is a writer and Republican political consultant who has advised a pro-Bill Weld super PAC in the 2020 election. His book about the Republican Party, “It Was All A Lie,” will be published next month.
    Don’t just blame President Trump. Blame me — and all the other Republicans who aided and abetted and, yes, benefited from protecting a political party that has become dangerous to America. Some of us knew better.
    But we built this moment. And then we looked the other way. Many of us heard a warning sound we chose to ignore, like that rattle in your car you hear but figure will go away. Now we’re broken down, with plenty of time to think about what should have been done.
    The failures of the government’s response to the coronavirus crisis can be traced directly to some of the toxic fantasies now dear to the Republican Party. Here are a few: Government is bad. Establishment experts are overrated or just plain wrong. Science is suspect. And we can go it alone, the world be damned.
    All of these are wrong, of course. But we didn’t get here overnight. It took practice. Long before Trump, the Republican Party adopted as a key article of faith that more government was bad. We worked overtime to squeeze it and shrink it, to drown it in the bathtub, as anti-tax activist Grover Norquist liked to say. But somewhere along the way, it became, “all government is bad.” Now we are in a crisis that can be solved only by massive government intervention. That’s awkward.
    This is dangerous.Trump may think he can sugarcoat coronavirus, but media critic Erik Wemple says it is time for the government to speak with one clear voice about public health. Next, somehow, the party of idealistic Teddy Roosevelt, pragmatic Bob Dole and heroic John McCain became anti-intellectual, by which I mean, almost reflexively opposed to knowledge and expertise.
    We began to distrust the experts and put faith in, well, quackery. It was 2013 when former Louisiana governor Bobby Jindal said the Republican Party “must stop being the stupid party.” By 2016, the party had embraced as its nominee a reality-TV host who later suggested that perhaps the noise from windmills causes cancer.
    The Republican Party has gone from admiring William F. Buckley Jr., an Ivy League intellectual, to viewing higher education as a left-wing conspiracy to indoctrinate the young. In retribution, we started defunding education. Never mind that Republican leaders are among the most highly educated on the planet; it’s just that they now feel compelled to embrace ignorance as a cost of doing business. Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, as an example, denounces “coastal elites” while holding degrees from Princeton University and Harvard Law School and having served as a Supreme Court clerk.
    The GOP’s relationship with science has resembled some kind of Frankenstein experiment: Let’s see what happens when we play with the chemistry set! Conservatives have spent years trying to cut funds for basic science and research, lamenting government seed money for nearly every budding technology and then hoping for the best. In the weeks ahead, it’s not some fiery, anti-Washington populist with an XM radio gig who is going to save folks’ lives; it is more likely to be someone who has been studying this stuff for decades, almost certainly at some point with federal help or outright patronage.
    Finally, there is the populist GOP distrust and dislike of the other, the foreign. Yes, it is annoying that the Chinese didn’t come clean and explain everything to us from the start. But it appears that a Swiss company is helping to jump-start us in testing; and it is a German company that American officials reportedly tried to lure to the United States recently to help develop a vaccine for the virus. We talk about how we need to be independent even as we do all kinds of things that prove we aren’t.
    What is happening now is the inevitable result of a party that embraced fear, weaponized xenophobia and regarded facts as dangerous, left-wing landmines that must be avoided.
    Over the past few years, when ramming through conservative judges, Republicans have crowed, “Elections have consequences.” That’s true.It’s something to think about when sitting at home not watching sports and wondering how long it will be until you can find out if that nasty cold you have is something more.
    Yes, elections have consequences. Those of us in the Republican Party built this moment. Now the nation must live with those consequences.
    Quite frankly, I think people like you owe the rest of us an apology.

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    Ok, I guess. You are right about the lazy wording in the quote.

    Now what?

    Can we talk about the actual ideas? Or is that too much of an ask?

    This thing will lay bare a lot of conservative hypocrisy for a lot of people. At every step in modern life conservative policies make things worse, and this whole "fire the pandemic team to save a few bucks" thing is the icing on that -cake.

    Republicans- -Trump-party sucks at governing. We pay for their mistakes over and over and over.

    People like you have enabled this.


    Quite frankly, I think people like you owe the rest of us an apology.
    off, asshole.

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    Can we talk about the actual ideas? Or is that too much of an ask?
    Noted. I await your apology.

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    Trump and the Trump-led Republican Party enablers are responsible. The fake news, pull yourself up by the bootstrap, cultist Repug bags are guilty of throwing fuel on the fire.

    "Dem hoax"

    "Just the flu"

    Etc

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    Noted. I await your apology.

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    Here's your ticket. buh-bye felicia.

    You've gotten worse than dabom

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    dont forget the 2 party “democratic” system

    the biggest sham of all
    Well we have do have open primaries...

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    Trump and the Trump-led Republican Party enablers are responsible. The fake news, pull yourself up by the bootstrap, cultist Repug bags are guilty of throwing fuel on the fire.

    "Dem hoax"

    "Just the flu"

    Etc
    Trash LIES he is doing as well or better than Obama for 2009 H1N1 pandemic.

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    [vacuous personal attack]
    [indifference]

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    Noted. I await your apology.

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    Trash LIES he is doing as well or better than Obama for 2009 H1N1 pandemic.
    Trump is correct. Obama lost over 12k Americans lives there.

    The old man has lost less than 300 American lives.

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    what a crybaby thread by yet another crybaby

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    Trump is correct. Obama lost over 12k Americans lives there.

    The old man has lost less than 300 American lives.
    Just beginning, Cub. If the old man comes outta this with around standard flu numbers (50k deaths), he'll be doing good. Worst case scenario projections had deaths at 1.2 million. GRIM.

    But that said, let's get real. This is beyond political scope now. It is up to we to curb that number down. Stay home if you can. Wash, wash, wash your hands. Don't let the grandkids slobber all over you, etc, etc. The Italians got hit hard due their familial culture in that regard, unfortunately. Right now, this right/left political football is over. It's trivial. This is bigger than that.

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    Just buy a load of TP and you should be all set.

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    DOJ Seeks To Suspend Cons utional Rights Because Coronavirus & MSM Says Vaping Tied To COVID-19


    The normies on the left and right are completely okay with this. Idiots. Morons. Give me Coronavirus over this anytime of day.

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