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It means different things depending on who you ask. It's a dumb and counterproductive slogan.
Rest assured, there is not anywhere near enough popular or legislative support for dissolving the police completely.
So I didn’t see a thread specifically dealing with this topic. If there is, I apologize and could you kindly direct me to it?
With that out of the way, I don’t understand this concept. At first I thought it meant redistributing some of the financial support police receive from their local governments but as the week went on, it seems people mean to dissolve the police completely and come up with a whole new form of maintaining the law.....I just don’t see how that would be possible or even remotely a good idea. Someone change my mind.
It means different things depending on who you ask. It's a dumb and counterproductive slogan.
Rest assured, there is not anywhere near enough popular or legislative support for dissolving the police completely.
just one example:
in texas, for example, republicans defund mental health hospitals/ programs leaving the cop who arrests a guy having an episode - with no option except to arrest him for acting out and scaring the public.
The police sometimes end up hurting the guy or killing him or escalating -
if mental health funding could be restored - then mental health pros could respond with the cops and see if they can defuse and get the guy in a psyche hospital instead of jail where more ill-equipped people will mishandle the suspect.
republicans wont do it and instead get elected by assuring red state voters that they will be tough on crime and will not support “en lements”
in the end- we all lose
people like fox news and trump pounce on the slogan “defund the police” and get their cult to immediately lash out at dems...
kind of like “dems want open borders”
which is another lib hating trigger and nothing but disinformation
Private security forces are already on record as worse wherever they operate.Blackwater- nothing more really needs to be said.
There needs to be a conversation behind the defund the police movement.I dont think any group actually wants them defunded as the end result would be much worse then what we have today. I think reallocating the funds would be best
This, really. And I think it goes more towards police departments spending loads of money in Swat teams and iphone unlockers (13k/year for that one device), when they should be more community focused and better trained than adversarial.
Iknow this is going to be difficult ,but you too can do it
1. We demand divestment in the police force
2. We demand invesntment in the health and prosperity of our communities
It just means allocating the money properly, involving more community outreach, social workers and programs, drug programs, etc, rather than relying on police to address every single facet of society like they're currently asked to do(and aren't qualified to do, at all).
Unfortunately, the branding of this movement is already terrible and Republicans are going to use this slogan as a way to instill fear. Liberals give them such easy ways to spin .
A goog cop is a dead cop... thats not about reallocating funds.. but spin away. The die is cast.
Not sure what you're trying to convey with this post.
Like Spurs Homer said, it means taking some of the police money and using it to lock up people deemed crazy in pyschiatric hospitals like the old days. I think it's a good idea but I liked Shutter Island.
"Divest" should replace it but the common person probably wouldnt understand that term enough. Not a flame,just being honest
You're drunk again.
The same people doing this micro secession were chanting a good cop is a dead cop just a few days ago. How can you reconcile those two messages? I mean you're trying to neuter that sentiment into a paycut.
You love to focus on the fringe and paint with a broad brush. It’s lazy.
As had been said multiple times, it’s poorly executed marketing
You didnt take that tact with disinfectant...
So if the left issues a fatwah against the police, its poorly executed marketing. If the right says something about disinfectant thats obviously incomplete or short sighted? That is to be taken at face value.
Boston is shifting $20M from cop OT to community services
FWIW, "defunded" doesn't mean "disbanded and overhauled".
Are you comparing a few people on the fringe left to the President of the United States?
on top of dealing with emergency response situations, police are given way too much responsibility to address deep societal issues like homelessness, domestic disputes, drug addiction, mental health... and even absurd at times like chasing down loose animals, dealing with noise complaints
and they approach all of these situations while armed with a deadly weapon after being trained that at any moment somebody could pull out a gun and shoot them, so they have to always be alert
There has been some discussion in it for the riot thread, but since it is an idea being floated around, it is probably a good idea to hve a discussion space for it.
Sounded dumb to me at first glance, but it is really about shifting priorities, rather than outright abolishing the police, who take up a huge chunk of any city budget.
Quick version:
We spend a lot on police, and force them to be dealing with a lot of problems such as drug use, homelessness, mental helath issues including domestic violence and so forth.
Our under-investment in the social safety net, and the criminalization of what should really be non-criminal behavior, such as smoking weed, or heroin use, leads to expensive police spending, and a lot of unnecessary non-solutions. If we had more appropriate experts handing problems, such as health care professionals or mental health professionals, we would not need as much police.
"when the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to see all problems as being solved with it" or something similar.
It means placing an emphasis on preventing crime, for which law enforcement is not really well suited.
Which is cheaper, free needles, or dealing with health complications like Hep or AIDS from dirty needles?
Police and jails are pretty damn expensive. I personally strongly suspect we can take $1.00 from a police department, put that dollar into other experts and social safety nets, and save ourselves more than that dollar in expenses elsewhere.
Get into the weeds, and there are a lot of issues, but there is a pretty good case to be made, IMO, to at least try, especially as there has to be some low-hanging fruit in the system due to the high costs of police/jails.
I am mindful of the studies on free needles that showed a very specific benefit of avoided expenses at public hospitals of $1.14 for every $1.00 spent on such programs. Probably could find it if I go looking again.
T hrowing junkies in jail is another easy one for me. How about instead of putting them in jail, you simply get them into rehab? , go so far as to provide the drugs they are addicted to, and have them administered by medical professionals, in a controlled setting. Sounds radical, but you avoid expensive O.D.s and emergency rooms, make the drug available without criminal activity, such as theft (avoided crime right there), and you have them in constant contact with care that offers the best chance of getting them off the drugs anyway. Even if they never get off the drugs, you can still get them jobs and semifunctional.
Getting them jobs, means getting them into contributing to the economy directly, and offsets costs, especially compared to jails/police which are 100% cost.
Lastly this model would kill the criminal cartels that provide these drugs. More avoided crimes. There is a HUGE benefit. No more drug pipelines saves money in border enforcement, another expensive boondoggle, IMO.
California cop killing suspect wrote far-right ‘boogaloo’ slogans in blood: report
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/cal...-blood-report/
Right-wingers kill more people than left wing fatwahs ever have.
And yet it seems like the worst offenses seem to happen in democrat blue states and cities. This is not a republican/democrat problem. Thinking that a (D) or an (R) will some how remedy race in this country makes people part of the problem.
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