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It doesn't matter. We shouldn't be there anyway.
Thank goodness it was before a Senate Committee hearing. Now, I wonder if the terrorists will abstain from using his lies to torture or coerce their captives.
Is Jimmy Massey telling the truth about Iraq?
The answer, of course, is No.
It doesn't matter. We shouldn't be there anyway.
According to who? France?
the American public, you know? Us voters
At the time of the invasion, the American public, you know, Us voters were behind the invasion of Iraq. So were the majority of Democrat Congressmen.
The only opposition appeared to be from foreign "allies," the U.N. Secretary General's office, and a few strident anti-war lefties and far-right isolationists here.
The only way the opposition saw to change that was to try and convince those who originally favored the action that it was predicated on lies. And, I conceded, the effort to do just that has been somewhat successful.
However, the truth will out. The true nature of Saddam Hussein's Iraq and his WMD designs and capabilities will be known. And, the nature of the opposition and their motives will also be known. Of this I'm confident.
I'm also confident that the President is sincere when he says this is all just "background noise." He is going to stay the course and to what is necessary to see this to a positive end.
What is happening in France will only help his cause. How frustrating that must be to the Islamo-sympathizers in here.
So as James Massey goes, so goes acussations of military atrocities committed in Iraq in the name of bringing liberty and freedom, right? Wrong. James Massey may indeed be an opportunist, but that hardly means horrible autrocities weren't committed to innocent Iraqis in the process of libertation.
I'm also confident that the President is sincere when he says this is all just "background noise." He is going to stay the course and to what is necessary to see this to a positive end.
There is no positive end. The President could declare victory today (again) and bring a majority of our boys home and in the long-run it wouldn't make a bit of difference in Iraq, but the cheering sheeple like Yonivore will declare a desperate political victory for Conservatives and W.
You've been sold a bill of goods. It's okay to admit you were wrong about Bushie and move on. You just look even more stupid for hanging onto false hope that Dubya did the right thing
You're overgeneralizing...
Exactly what "bill of goods" was I sold? Or, are you just throwing out Michael Moore and Howard Dean talking points again?
Exactly what was I led to believe that isn't true?
No WMDS
No ties to 911
Yoni--Don't bother digging up some wacko's blog entry that lends support to the reason for the war. I've made up my mind on this one already.
False.
Nothing fitting the leftist definition of WMD has been found. As has been reported over and over again. There were stockpiles of dual-purpose pesticide (the base ingredient for a nerve agent), stored next to the chemical catalyst and an ammo dump full of STS missiles capable of carrying a liquid payload.
What other possible purpose could there have been for this arrangement? Seriously, I'd like to know what you think of this particular discovery and how it reflects on Iraq's possession of WMDs.
Just because they weren't all assembled doesn't mean they weren't WMD's.
You're the one that can't accept the truth of the matter. Tell me this. Who would it take reporting these facts as having found WMD in Iraq for you to believe it?
Never claimed outside the minds of the left.
However, ties to those who executed 9/11 have been established. That Iraq was a terrorist state has been established. That Iraq is as much a part of the war on terrorism, escalated by the events of 9/11, as Afghanistan has been established.
No one ever claimed Iraq was directly involved in the attacks on September 11, 2001. However, that they were involved with terrorist elements who did plan it and are engaged in similar activities around the world is indisputable.
Why is the administration not loudly proclaiming that these WMDs have been found? Nevermind what someone on a message board thinks of this unlinked "discovery", what does the Busheviks think? I guess their definition of WMDs is closer to leftist's than Yonivore's.
Cheney danced around and created the impression there was a connection between Saddam and 9/11. While he never came out and categorically claimed the connection he was coy and referred to a Czech meeting between Iraqi intellegence and the hijacker Atta. The intent was clear. Dupe the rubes in this country into supporting a pre-emptive war by hinting that Saddam had something to do with 9/11.
It worked. Two thirds of the country believed the Cheney "hints".
Washington Post
While not explicitly declaring Iraqi culpability in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, administration officials did, at various times, imply a link. In late 2001, Cheney said it was "pretty well confirmed" that attack mastermind Mohamed Atta had met with a senior Iraqi intelligence official. Later, Cheney called Iraq the "geographic base of the terrorists who had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11."
Bush, in 2003, said "the battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September the 11th, 2001."
Beyond the Sept. 11 attacks, administration officials have also suggested that there had been cooperation between Iraq and al Qaeda that went beyond contacts. Bush last year called Hussein "an ally of al Qaeda." Just this Monday, Cheney said Hussein "had long-established ties with al Qaeda."
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Yeah, and?
Saying that Iraq is an integral part of the Global War on Terror by virtue of their association with those who attacked us on September 11, 2001 is not the same as saying Iraq was complicit in the September 11, 2001 attacks.
That's kind of like saying that since Germany was not involved in the December 7th, 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor they had no role and should not be a part of our efforts in fighting global fascism during WWII. After all, Germany didn't attack us? Did they?
World War II was a global war on fascism. This is a global war on terrorism. Iraq is involved -- whether they played a specific role in 9/11 or not.
That's the point.
How so?
It appears that France is being made to look the fool right now. And, whether you want to believe it or continue to deny it...France is fighting for its life right now not from a bunch of disenfranchised "youths" but a well organized Islamic Jihad.
300 cities and spreading. It also appears to have spilled over into Germany today.
We are doing the right thing in Iraq. You're the fool.
Iraq shot at U.S. planes...for 12 years.
No, the point is that the administration mislead the American people. You can equivocate all you want, but the fact is that the administration implied time and time again that there was a direct link between Iraq and the events in New York. To now defend these actions now by saying "Well they never expressly said it" is ridiculous. It just goes to show that people will go to absurd ends to try and prove that the administration hasn't been dishonest with the American public.
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^^yes ofcourse since your dumbass equates a riot with a war.
WTF? Bush won re-election dude... wow how many bong hits did you take?
Of course people that opposed him should not be quite. But they need to accept that Bush is not going anywhere and our soldiers WILL have victory this time. This will be no vietnam scurry away. It's going to be on Bush's original terms of Iraqi security forces standing up.
poor, stupid Gtown.
I'd sig this if I didn't already sig the other village idiot
No, the point is the administration explicitly said time and time again that Iraq was integral to the global war on terror. And that remains true.
That you looked at a pear tree and saw apples isn’t my fault.
You must have quite the ego to think that anyone is even talking about you. What the do you have to do with any of this? I was talking about the administration.
And if the American public "saw apples" it's because W was dressed like goddam Johnny Appleseed when he made his case to the people.
Why the need to defend these guys? They keep screwing up and you keep defending them.
There are none so blind as those that refuse to see.
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Last edited by Mr. Peabody; 08-23-2011 at 06:44 PM.
Fine. It's noone's fault but your own.
Obviously, I disagree. Furthermore, unlike you, I never heard this administration say that Iraq was complicit in the 9/11 attacks. I did, however, hear them tie Iraq in with the rather complex concept of global terrorism. They made their case, quite compellingly, that Iraq was a linchpin in winning the war -- not because it settled any kind of justice for what happened on 9/11 (that was happening in Afghanistan) -- but, because Iraq was the logical place (due to his record of abuses and the corruption of the OFF program among many of the reasons) to try and establish a democratic base of operation in the Middle East.
I know, that's a little nuanced for your simple "Bush lied, people died" brain. Bug, geopolitics are complicated. I'm sorry.
You'd better hope they don't fail.Why the need to defend these guys? They keep screwing up and you keep defending them.
What would you have them do now. Seriously? Even if Iraq was a mistake (Democratic Senator Rockefeller is now saying he made a mistake in voting for the invasion), what would you have them do? Leave?
Let's just go on the compromise premise that it wasn't an intentional mistake. Bush didn't mislead us into war (I mean, a lot of Democrats saw the same intelligence and came to the same conclusion); and I'll give up, for the moment, that there were no WMD's -- it was all a big mistake.
Once we toppled Baghdad, and threw out the Ba'athist regime, only to find out we were wrong (even though it was the stated U.S. policy to do just that, since 1998) and that there was no WMD's. What should we have done?
No !
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