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    Tyrese Haliburton

    College: Iowa State
    Position: PG/SG
    Age: 20
    Height: 6-foot-5
    Weight: 175 pounds
    Draft Range: 4 to 12

    Why: Extremely high basketball IQ. Very good passer and elite court vision. Great decisions on the fast break. Not a great athlete but decent hops and can surprise with bursts of speed. Quality shooter with deep range (42% on threes, 82% at the line). Has experience on the ball and off the ball. Elite instincts as a help defender; gets steals in bunches. High character, team-first player.

    Why Not: His quickness and ball-handling are iffy enough that it's not a given he can be a PG on the NBA level. His shot goes in but it's funky. Has a low release point that could be an issue in the NBA. Doesn't get to the line. Will need to get stronger to become a good one-on-one defender. Iowa State was only 10-13 when Haliburton was lost for the year with a broken wrist.

    Spurs Fit: He's rotation-ready early on. Fits next to either White or Murray in the backcourt. If nothing else, his fast break a en and his ability to make the right passes would be helpful as a rookie.

    Spurs Comparison - Ceiling: Derrick White 2.0

    Spurs Comparison - Floor: Poor Man's George Hill

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    best pg in the draft

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    There’s going to be 3,4,5 teams kicking themselves for not drafting him because he has a funky jumper and might not have the combine measurements they’d like.

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    Gut feeling this is the guy if hes there at 11. High B-ball iq and character being the main reasons.

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    I see more Jacques Vaughn than Trae Young (to put it in Big 12 terms).

    It helps to be either real fast or real physical and he doesn't seem to be either -- so his high-level college game may not translate at the highest level at the next level.

    He should be a solid backup at least, but as for more, maybe but maybe not . . .

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    Put me down for one.

    With this roster, a lot of coaches would put him straight into the fire. Pop wouldn't, but that doesn't change who/what the kid is. Without the injury, I don't think there was a chance in that he would fall to 11. If he's there (and if they've confirmed his health), I think he's a no-brainer. He's a draft-worth PG, and all the gods know they need one.


    Edit: Two things that won't get mentioned much. He's got a floater, which should really help until he gets a little more strength/bulk. And he's a pretty good rebounder. With him at the point, the Spurs would have one of the best rebounding guard crews around, IMO. Not a bad thing in the New NBA.
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    Considering the dregs available at 11, he might be worth it if he's there.

    I just hope that the Spurs move up a few picks to a different level of player (probably won't happen, but I just have a hunch that it might this year).

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    I could be way off but on a few plays I saw glimpses of a young slightly shorter Brent Barry.

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    Considering the dregs available at 11, he might be worth it if he's there.

    I just hope that the Spurs move up a few picks to a different level of player (probably won't happen, but I just have a hunch that it might this year).

    I don't think there's any way they could trade up to the top 3-4 picks. So after those, who's your guy to trade up for?

    Would you trade down with the C's if they would give up two lower firsts for the 11 pick?

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    How many teams for sure need a PG ahead of us?
    Wiz/PHX/NYK/Det? I doubt he's there at 11.

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    I don't think there's any way they could trade up to the top 3-4 picks. So after those, who's your guy to trade up for?

    Would you trade down with the C's if they would give up two lower firsts for the 11 pick?
    Based upon how the draft goes, I could see trading up from 11 or trading down from 11. It might have to be done in real time, like apparently it was when Kawhi fell to 15 (which was always possible although far from certain). Irons may need to be placed in the fire with certain teams in advance (like they probably were with Kawhi).

    I doubt the Spurs could trade up to 3 or 4, but if one of their guys fell to 7 or 8 or 9, I could see it. If Okongwu or Advija fell to that range (again unlikely) I could see the Spurs trying to move (if they like those guys as much as I do). You could probably add Wiseman, Toppin, Hayes, Ball and Edwards to that list. (Although I personally don't like Edwards or Ball for the Spurs.)

    Otherwise, depending on who is there at 11, I might favor trading down. The guys who might be left are guys the Spurs have been used to drafting later in the 1st round -- they're good at evaluating those guys. The Spurs may think they could trade down and still get the guy they would take (if forced) at 11 plus another asset (e.g., a draft pick). It appears that 11 through 20 (or more) may be a big group that have no clear order. The Spurs can either be victimized by that or (possibly) take advantage of it.

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    Based upon how the draft goes, I could see trading up from 11 or trading down from 11. It might have to be done in real time, like apparently it was when Kawhi fell to 15 (which was always possible although far from certain). Irons may need to be placed in the fire with certain teams in advance (like they probably were with Kawhi).

    I doubt the Spurs could trade up to 3 or 4, but if one of their guys fell to 7 or 8 or 9, I could see it. If Okongwu or Advija fell to that range (again unlikely) I could see the Spurs trying to move (if they like those guys as much as I do). You could probably add Wiseman, Toppin, Hayes, Ball and Edwards to that list. (Although I personally don't like Edwards or Ball for the Spurs.)

    Otherwise, depending on who is there at 11, I might favor trading down. The guys who might be left are guys the Spurs have been used to drafting later in the 1st round -- they're good at evaluating those guys. The Spurs may think they could trade down and still get the guy they would take (if forced) at 11 plus another asset (e.g., a draft pick). It appears that 11 through 20 (or more) may be a big group that have no clear order. The Spurs can either be victimized by that or (possibly) take advantage of it.
    Up is a waste if it’s not top3. Those are the only high ceiling, high floor players in the draft. It flattens out really quickly after that.

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    Seems legit. Better than random slow wings that people hope and wish become faster so they can be a poor mans Leonard. Once we get rid of Forbes and Mills/Beli retire, we will need shooters desperately

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    Up is a waste if it’s not top3. Those are the only high ceiling, high floor players in the draft. It flattens out really quickly after that.
    I think this draft goes 7 deep, but that's just a difference of opinion.

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    I'm skeptical he gets to 7. The Warriors are said to be fans and are trade back candidates. Meanwhile, the Hornets, Bulls and Pistons, could all use him. Even the Cavaliers, if they're ready to trade one of Sexton or Garland.

    That said, if he does, I'd offer Murray and 11 to the Pistons for Brown or Thomas and 7.

    Haliburton and White could be a very good back court going forward. IQ, size, shooting, play making, defense.

    Seems legit. Better than random slow wings that people hope and wish become faster so they can be a poor mans Leonard. Once we get rid of Forbes and Mills/Beli retire, we will need shooters desperately
    Yeah, but the shooters have to be core players, not physical liability specialists that destroy the defense. There's only room for one of those in a rotation and it's in a 15-20 mpg backup role, where it's easier to dictate matchups.

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    I don't think there's any way they could trade up to the top 3-4 picks. So after those, who's your guy to trade up for?

    Would you trade down with the C's if they would give up two lower firsts for the 11 pick?
    The C's have #14, 26, and 30. For 14 and one of the two lower ones it would be a no-brainer. For 26 and 30, I'm not so sure. The Spurs are very good at finding solid role-players in that range, but it's much harder to get a true star down there. Keldon is showing flashes but still has a ways to go.

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    The C's have #14, 26, and 30. For 14 and one of the two lower ones it would be a no-brainer. For 26 and 30, I'm not so sure. The Spurs are very good at finding solid role-players in that range, but it's much harder to get a true star down there. Keldon is showing flashes but still has a ways to go.

    I agree with passing on 26 + 30. And normally Ainge wouldn't trade 14 plus another first for 11 without demanding too much as a sweetener. But they (Boston) have $140M committed next season, and BRI is going to take a hit even if the league implements some kind of smoothing and/or other leniency measures. If Boston has their eye on a guy that they don't want to lose, there might be a deal to be made. Maybe the Spurs have to throw in a second next year or something, but I can see that kind of 2-for-1 happening this season more than most.

    Personally, I think getting at least one NBA-ready guy is a big deal right now. But two firsts might let them also take a flyer on a high upside, higher-risk guy. A PG, a project forward, and maybe someone like Kenyon Martin jr. with the second round pick and I'd call it a day.


    I hate starting new threads, but the effect of this COVID debacle on BRI and the salary cap is going to have a big effect on team strategies for the next two years, at least. (SHOULD have a big effect, anyway.) Personally, I think it's going to benefit the big market teams even more, which means the small market teams that aren't smart are going to get crushed.

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    I really hope all these 6'5" combo guards get taken before 11 so that the Spurs don't feel tempted to draft yet another of these, tbh.

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    I really hope all these 6'5" combo guards get taken before 11 so that the Spurs don't feel tempted to draft yet another of these, tbh.
    He’s not a combo guard, he’s a pure play PG.

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    He’s not a combo guard, he’s a pure play PG.
    Not according to what timvp said here, tbh. I'll admit, I haven't watched any tape from this guy, in fact I haven't watched any tape of any of the many 6'4"/6'5" guys that are being thrown around as lottery picks (except Edwards). I'm just sick and tired of these type of players, we already have a platoon of them. So I'll admit I can be completely missing out on a future Superstar of the league. If the Spurs think any of these 6'5" guys has that potential, then they should definitely go for it.

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    As an Iowa State alum and fan, I can give you a few pointers about him since I watch every single one of their games.

    We had a down/rebuilding year. We had basically 4 out of 5 starters from the previous year leave to NBA/graduate and he was basically our entire offense. In fact, our entire starting line up prior to this era is now all in the NBA (Monte Morris [Nuggets], Naz Mitrou-Long [Pacers], Georges Niang [Jazz], Matt Thomas [Raptors], Talen Horton-Tucker [Lakers]) How we beat Texas by 30 without him, I will never know...

    He really is the real deal. He is the most "Spur" like player in the draft: humble, soft-spoken, has breakfast in the hotel every morning with his mom before games.

    He is an elite passer, and I think he will be an elite defender in the NBA as well. I believe he led Iowa State in steals, and has great reach for a PG of his size. He handles the ball very well.

    One thing that is kind of worrisome is his "out of control"-ness. Very much like Murray in that way. I also think he will go way before 11, though. A lot of mock drafts have him in the 5-8 range.

    If you guys have any questions about him, feel free to ask.

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    As an Iowa State alum and fan, I can give you a few pointers about him since I watch every single one of their games.

    We had a down/rebuilding year. We had basically 4 out of 5 starters from the previous year leave to NBA/graduate and he was basically our entire offense. In fact, our entire starting line up prior to this era is now all in the NBA (Monte Morris [Nuggets], Naz Mitrou-Long [Pacers], Georges Niang [Jazz], Matt Thomas [Raptors], Talen Horton-Tucker [Lakers]) How we beat Texas by 30 without him, I will never know...

    He really is the real deal. He is the most "Spur" like player in the draft: humble, soft-spoken, has breakfast in the hotel every morning with his mom before games.

    He is an elite passer, and I think he will be an elite defender in the NBA as well. I believe he led Iowa State in steals, and has great reach for a PG of his size. He handles the ball very well.

    One thing that is kind of worrisome is his "out of control"-ness. Very much like Murray in that way. I also think he will go way before 11, though. A lot of mock drafts have him in the 5-8 range.

    If you guys have any questions about him, feel free to ask.
    thats nice to hear, hes my guy in this draft and after what u said i like him even more. But we are stuck in guard position so we would have to trade f.e murray (unfortunately unlikely to happen). But still i think like you that he will be gone before 11th pick.

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    He’s not a combo guard, he’s a pure play PG.
    Agreed. Yes, he’s a pure PG. I’ve watched a lot of his games...pass first, good playmaker, can shoot, has length and plays solid defense

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    Could be the next Manu!

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    Pass. He'd take away valuable minutes from Bryn Forbes. Poop isn't going to let Forbes go away quietly.

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