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and risk injury? season is still long to go, its only one game....as if we be seeing them in finals. they can have the win and tie breaker...
WTF?
There were still 2:48 in the clock, Spurs' ball down by 13 and Pop decides to send in the scrubs. Even the DC local broadcasters were asking WTF was that.
Look, Timmy is having a bad game, fine, sit him. But 2:48 is still a lot of basketball to be played for a 5 posession game. Don't give the ing up damn it. Leave Parker, Gino, Bowen, Horry and Rasho. If Rasho fouls out, put Nazr in there. A couple of back to back treys, and you suddenly have a ball game... if the Spurs cannot hit them, tough luck, but at least you play your cards.
And just to preempt some comments.
I'm pretty sure Pop has forgotten more about basketball than I'll ever know yada yada. He's learned things about his players that I will never know. He knows that Nick the Quick likes Mexican food and Nazr is afraid of spiders. He's heard that Finley switched shaving razors brands from Mach3 to Quattro and developed a bad case of allergy. Maybe I am a ing moron, but...
... next game is Tuesday, so don't play the ing "rest your starters" card. It was a back-to-back game for the Wizards as well (I'll concede it was easier for them with a home back-to-back and an easy win vs the Sonics, but still...). Perhaps more importantly, you don't teach any lessons by not leaving the guys will bring you to the championship game on the floor fighting.
I don't care about the loss, I don't care about how horrid was any individual performance, but I do care about giving up early when there is still a chance. Pop, if you want to teach a lesson, here is one:
Champions never give up when there is a fighting chance. Never.
and risk injury? season is still long to go, its only one game....as if we be seeing them in finals. they can have the win and tie breaker...
then WTF is your problem.I don't care about the loss,
If you think they had a shot 13 down last night,
with the way the Wizards were shooting?
You were smokin some good peyote.
Fully agreed.
Except you're wrong about the timing, I remember over 3 minutes left and find today:
(3:05) [SAN] Bowen Subs ution replaced by Oberto
(3:05) [SAN] Duncan Subs ution replaced by Sanders
(3:05) [SAN] Ginobili Subs ution replaced by Marks
(3:05) [SAN] Horry Subs ution replaced by Mohammed
The only emotion I had at that point, greater than the dissappointment in the game, was the ANGER at Pop sending up the white flag. You ing quitter!!
THREE MINUTES LEFT!!!
You call your finishers together, you challenge them to bow their necks, stiffen their backs (instead of shrug their shoulders), forget the nightmare so far, and reach down pull up the grit of Champions. They had nothing to lose at that point. Don't EVER give up, even in Game 7 of 82. No shame in losing in a valiant effort, that awesome, scary cruch time run that just falls short but shows the entire NBA what it takes to beat the Spurs. Spurs might even turn a forgettable, embarassing, humiliating loss into a memorable, saber-rattling, confidence-buidling, chest-thumping victory.
This "nothing's worth fighting for except the playoffs" at ude cheats everybody.
Then, as if to really piss myself off, I watch the gritty Bucks ing WIN at the buzzer after being behind all game vs PAcers and Bucks still down -8 with 45 seconds left.
Hey, Pop, how about we "quit" paying all your salary for November, say we slice off the last 3 days?? You sonofabtich quitter.
Last edited by boutons; 11-13-2005 at 12:12 PM.
^you hurt pops feelin, his goin to come back with a 10 win streak
Spurs are on cruise control. Just like last year. Dang it's hard to watch the regular season.
peyote isn't the same when you smoke it. it has to be ingested.
God shut the up.Hey, Pop, how about we "quit" paying all your salary for November, say we slice off the last 3 days?? You sonofabtich quitter.
You pop haters know no ends do you?
T_park, legendary quitter and liar, naturally defends Pop's to decision to throw in the towel vs Wiz.
I don't hate Pop. I do despise when Pop quits when the outcome is still in play, not that such a nuance would be within reach of your lipid-addled brain.
I do appreciate T_park's myopic concern for risk of injury, based on his own risk of lower-body injury he takes every time he simply stands up.
It was quite clear about halfway through the 4th quarter that the Spurs were not going to win. The Wizards couldn't miss, especially Arenas, and the Spurs were missing easy lay-ups, especially Timmy.
Why give Pop grief? It was just one lousy night - no big deal.
Pop is making sure right off the bat that he wont be selected as the All-Star coach two years running, he hates that .....
bucks did it against the Pacers and noone would have expected that.
but im sure on the end of a road trip that the last thing Pop wants is some dumb injury coz they tried hard to come back
if it was at the SBC and it was the same score line maybe things would be different
i dont know, you guys know how Pop works
I thought it was the right thing to do. Washington was never going to lose the game the way they were playing, no way. Arenas was unbelievable and it seemed that every Wizard shot went in. I don't have a problem with it in Game 7 of the season, now if it was a playoff game, then we all know that Pop wouldn't have done it.
Pop pulled the starters so the Wiz would have to pull Arenas before he dropped a double-nickel on our asses.
Folks, old ones you know where I am coming from, younguns..you can research it. Spurs are CLASICALLY a team that gets off in the Second half of the season, even when Pop was the GM. Look it up...
Fret not, #4 will be ours. Stuff happens. I challenge you all to look back at the 94-95 season and see what we did in late season, and who WAS NOT playing for us when we did it. He took credit, yet he cost us the playoffs with his idiocy. Look back at '99. Spurs did not really take off until we came back vs the Rockettes in April (remember Mario Elie's three? the DAGGER?). Late season spurt in the 02-03 season got us in line for the playoffs. Last year, probably the most balanced of all championship seasons, but really started peaking after All star break.
Anyone who can deny that and wants to be a Debbie Downer can STFU. Wahhhh, wahhhh, wahhhhhhhhh.....
GSG!
Hugs,
Hussker
I am so tired of you Pop bashers.
You guys do realize that Pop is one of the best and most respected coaches in the league, right? You also realize that Pop knows the game better than we do? And that whatever he does he does with the team's interest in mind?
What do you know about the reasons Pop did this? Maybe he sent in the reserves to see how they'd finish a game... To see what to help them with, what to tweak, what to learn from them... see who'd be a better use in future games.
Unlike some of you guys, Pop takes substance over wins. The guy knows what he's doing; and it's very hypocritical that the same people who bash him non-stop the whole damn season are the same ones who kiss his toes when he takes the team to a championship.
I'm just tired of it.
TELL EM CHERRY! Pop Bashing was in vogue in the 96-97 season when he fired Hill. That is a memory now. 1) Feick is not our center 2) Dominique is not our scoring threat 3) We have THREE under the guidance of Pop.
STFU and deal with it, oh yeah, and GSG!
Pop shouldn't have quit, but its really not a big deal. The reason teams like the Bucks fight til the very end to win a game is because they simply want to make the playoffs. We don't have that problem. We can lose games and still get 55+ wins and secure our playoff spot and thats all that matters.
Pop has led 3 teams to NBA les you cannot question him. [/Spurs fans]
Didn't get to see the game, but given the facts presented, I gotta agree with Rick. Three minutes left, down by 13, and you pull the starters? That's mental softness by the coaching.
JVG didn't pull T-Mac last year when he was sucking and the Spurs were whooping ass with 2 min left . . .
Fire Pop then.
No, we aren't quitting on him.
I don't understand those people who think Pop can't be criticized (TPark, Cherry, etc). RVB's comment is a fair one. You don't quit with 3 minutes left and 13 pts to go.
And TPark defending Pop for quitting is simply priceless.
I was thinking the same thing as RVB last night... Just seemed too early to pull the guns. Maybe he was punishing them for playing such offensive defense all night.
We had nothing to prove or risk in that game. Pop is obviously smart seeing 2 minutes left, a double digit lead, early in the season and already having some injuries and letting the backups get some gametime
You're right though. Champs never give up. And the Spurs didn't. You don't think Pop had confidense in them to make a comeback? We could have, and probably would have had the game been crucial.
Plus it would have been typical for a coach to run his starters in an effort to comeback and wind up having a star injured. Over what? Come on, I hope you weren't that dramatic over the game.
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