What do you think The Glove's going rate will be this summer?
Why let him re-sign with Milwaukee?
Wouldn't a cheaper Payton be better than a max Kidd?
Questions.
Any Payton would be better than Kidd for us.
Gary can easily play the 2 and the 2 PG combination would be a lot smoother.
Gary can shoot (.469 career), score (18.3 ppg career), and dish (7.4 apg career including 8.3 last season, only .6 less than Kidd).
Gary is also a better defender.
Kidd has a definite edge on rebounding- but Gary just fits better into the Spurs "system." Payton is a half court PG.
Payton has proven to be effective in a backcourtwith another shooting PG by the name of Cassell.
Payton has the fiery temperment, veteran leadership and committment to winning that the Spurs locker room needs next year.
And Payton will not be expecting a 6 year contract for the max like Kidd.
Get Gary.
hmmmmm....I guess Payton would be a reasonable subs ute for Speedy...:wink
The one problem to "Get Gary" is one of the same ones involved with getting Kidd. He doesn't play center.
I'd love to have Gary on our team, especially ahead of Kidd, but he also requires bringing in a big with him.
How much would Gary command? A David Robinson like 10 mil?
He would leave a little more money open to get a big- but not a tremendous amount more.
only a dumbass like ghost would think payton won't want a 6 year max deal.
Payton + Olowokandi would be a very successful summer if O'Neal says no.
Ice seems to be the only person who thinks at his age, Payton would still command a six-year max salary. And how many teams can accommodate that, ' ?
scott, I'm saying that if the choice is between Kidd or Payton, then I want Payton, because the years and money will be less and we could still get a decent big to start at center.
I understand what you are saying Ghost, and we are in agreement on Payton vs. Kidd.
But lets expand our thinking a little further.
If we sign Payton, we still don't have a starting center.
How much money do we have left to try and get one?
Who do we get?
when in the history of the nba has a star player ever signed with a team for less money than he thought he was worth. (charles barkley does not count because he had plenty of money in endorsements and was near the end of a career desperately trying to win a ring. and we all know he was paid later on)
what in paytons history makes you think he would even consider taking less than a 6 year deal.
milwaukee wants to keep him thats 1 team right there,you ing moron.
scott, I'll keep the conversation going with you, because IceMan's hitting the pipe again.
The choice between Kidd and Payton has to be Plan C after O'Neal or Brand say 'No'.
Perhaps we can afford Payton and Howard or Brown.
Archie thinks these dudes will go for around the MLE.
Alll I am saying is if it's between paying the max and 6 years for Kidd or $9 million and 4 for Payton, you gotta go with The Glove.
you guys sound like mavs fans
Just like "Kidd + big man to be named at some amount to be named" isn't good enough, neither is "Payton + big man to be named at some amount to be named."
Let's start talking specifics- I like this idea, let's see if it works.
Payton turns 35 this summer. I believe any contract over 3 years for Payton triggers the over-36 rule.
payton is not going to come cheaper than kidd. lay off the rock
Payton can't be signed to a 6 year deal. Lay off the freon, ice.
scott, use your own imagination. The nice thing is that Payton wouldn't be signed to as much money or as many years as Kidd. There would be more flexibility to sign a starting quality center. Who?
Who knows?
Milwaukee drafted the best PG in the draft last night. I can't see them bringing back Cassell and Payton now.
The only teams that can offer Payton more than the MLE are Milwaukee, Utah, Denver, and the Clips.
I think Payton will be hard pressed to secure a salary for more than about 7 million a year, no matter how much he wants.
So, let's say we strike out on O'Neal and Brand, Mark.
Wouldn't you rather have Payton for like $8 million than Kidd for $15 balls?
Whats your obsession with overpaying Payton?
I'd much rather have Payton at 7 million than Payton at 8 million.
Kidd's price tag will be $12.5 mil, give or take a few $100k. Not $15.
If Payton can get $7 million elsewhere, how could he turn down $8 million from us?
$8 million is not overpaying for Payton, scott.
Connect the dots.
Maybe you are okay with paying 14% more than Market Value for everything- but most people with a brain would call that overpaying.
Connect the math, goof.
Payton is much better than Kidd, he's not gonna get great offers from anyone.
**** Kandi, I'd rather Bateer..
Who was playing Center for the Clips when Shaq scored 60 points?
Not in 2003.Payton is much better than Kidd...
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