Reply With QuotePlan B?
O'Neal would be an excellent addition, but it wasn't Jermaine who said he'll see what "The Alamo has to offer" July 1st.
Kidd's the floor general who ensures these collapses of our offesne don't happen in pressure situations.
Should the front office still pursue Jason Kidd?
I'm not so sure.
My opinion has not wavered since we knew the Spurs were entering into a two season Holt-ing Pattern back in 2001:
Popovich proved in 1999 that we can coach the Spurs to a le with a Twin Towers format of two All-Star frontcourt mates.
The time to upgrade Tony Parker was in 2001 when we could've traded his rights and spare parts for Gary Payton.
If we win the le this year, logic dictates that Tony Parker was "good enough" to get the job done and that Jason Kidd is not a necessity.
However, with David Robinson retiring, one half of the Twin Towers will need to be replaced.
That's why Jermaine O'Neal was and is the best choice to pursue as a free agent this summer, whether the Spurs win the le or not.
Feel free to agree or disagree here.
Plan B?
O'Neal would be an excellent addition, but it wasn't Jermaine who said he'll see what "The Alamo has to offer" July 1st.
Kidd's the floor general who ensures these collapses of our offesne don't happen in pressure situations.
My sources have informed me that the Spurs have begun discussions with Gary Payton and J. Oneals.. agent... Looks like it is a done deal... They should be here in the Alamo City come July 2..
The Mariachis have been scheduled already... I have inside sources with the Urban Dance Group for a welcome to SA party for Payton and Oneal... Kidd is off the table...
What is said in chat stays in chat...
baseline bum, I am not naive enough tto say that the Spurs should not bring a superstar like Kidd in if he wants to play here, but on the same token, Jermaine O'Neal is a much better fit for my previously stated reasons.
Did y'all read the article in this week's SportsIllustrated promoting Jermaine O'Neal as San Antonio's #1 free agent target?
Question.
1. Payton
2. Manu
3. Bowen
4. Duncan
5. Oneal
6. Championship
Jermaine O'Neal makes a lot more sense than Jason Kidd.
O'Neal is younger and fits in with the needs better. If he played center, he'd be the second best center in the game.
Adding Kidd is too risky now.
My sources have informed me
Sequ has his own sources?
My sources have informed me that Thursday is the end of the world as we know it.
You thought The Core was only a movie
Yep.... External sources... you see, da Spurs have to schedule the entertainment for the arrival and I have connections with that entertainment... Ahah!! Spurs request entertainment on or about 7/1/03 for Welcome.. ahah...
Sources are Oneal and Payton... More to come....
What is said in chat stays in chat...
True, but I believe J. O'neal did say that he'll look at San Antonio and Tim Duncan, Tracy McGrady and Orlando and Indiana and Reggie Miller. Whoever has the best supporting cast. If I'm not mistaken, Tim Duncan and his supporting cast are still playing while those other players he mentioned are already breaking 100 on the links.O'Neal would be an excellent addition, but it wasn't Jermaine who said he'll see what "The Alamo has to offer" July 1st.
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Come on Sequ, how long can it take to hire a few bad mariachis and throw a bad suit and cowboy boots on Holt?
This is top notched talent brotha, not that stuff your family hires for reunions and Sweet 16 parties...
This is the big time now brotha..
2003, the Year of the Free Agent!
We'll see, but George Strait will be at my house, So I don't know who the Spurs are gettin. :p
Tony Parker, Malik Rose, and then lose your one chance at adding a max level free agent like 24 year old Jermaine O'Neal this summer for the next decade. Fvcking brilliant. Of course, you want to throw all that away to change a team that is on the verge of knocking off the Lakers. Had the Spurs done what you wanted them to then you would now be bemoaning the fact that Payton's contract would royally be ing the Spurs this summer when DRob retired. Give your crackhead ideas a rest already.The time to upgrade Tony Parker was in 2001 when we could've traded his rights and spare parts for Gary Payton.
Agreed. Tim and Jermaine in the front court will reap us benefits well into the future.That's why Jermaine O'Neal was and is the best choice to pursue as a free agent this summer, whether the Spurs win the le or not.
Wrong. Gary Payton is not locked up beyond this season, @ssh0le. David Robinson would still be retiring and the Spurs would not have to re-up Payton this summer if they didn’t want to. Therefore, the Spurs could still go after whoever they want this summer.”Tony Parker, Malik Rose, and then lose your one chance at adding a max level free agent like 24 year old Jermaine O'Neal this summer for the next decade. Fvcking brilliant.” — MarcusBryant
Wrong. You add Payton to the Spurs last year and this year and we may have another le in the bag. You continue to overrate Rose. Parker is not on Payton’s level.”Of course, you want to throw all that away to change a team that is on the verge of knocking off the Lakers.” — Marcus Bryant
Wrong. David Robinson would still be retiring and the Spurs would not have to re-up Payton this summer if they didn’t want to. Therefore, the Spurs could still go after whoever they want this summer.”Had the Spurs done what you wanted them to then you would now be bemoaning the fact that Payton's contract would royally be ing the Spurs this summer when DRob retired. Give your crackhead ideas a rest already.” — Marcus Bryant
Marcus Bryant, you're the re who wants to make Jason Kidd the #1 priority this summer after we could've had Gary Payton two years ago!
Dinner is served, biyatch.
Wrong. Payton required an extension at that time. Overlooking this inconvenient fact for you, do the Spurs ship out Parker and Rose for a two year rental of Payton?Wrong. Gary Payton is not locked up beyond this season, @ssh0le. David Robinson would still be retiring and the Spurs would not have to re-up Payton this summer if they didn’t want to. Therefore, the Spurs could still go after whoever they want this summer.
Without Rose there is no bench. Who exactly is the backup PF/C in your scenario who can give you 10 and 6 in 25 minutes a game? How do you expect DRob's health to hold up when he has to play extended minutes due to the lack of bench depth? This isn't a video game where players are amazingly fresh all the time. Of course I am not surprised by your pedestrian view of Rose.Wrong. You add Payton to the Spurs last year and this year and we may have another le in the bag. You continue to overrate Rose. Parker is not on Payton’s level.
Payton on the Spurs guarantees nothing except a weaker supporting cast and greater limitations on improving that team for the next friggin' decade.
Again, Payton gets the extension at that time. DRob coming off the cap doesn't matter then. And of course you have to recreate a bench and hope that the Spurs can find some way to add another young talent of Parker's caliber.Wrong. David Robinson would still be retiring and the Spurs would not have to re-up Payton this summer if they didn’t want to. Therefore, the Spurs could still go after whoever they want this summer.
First off, a little fat white **** like you who pickles his brain with grain alchol and shares nights with his "bud" in a single bed should never refer to anyone else as a "re ".Marcus Bryant, you're the re who wants to make Jason Kidd the #1 priority this summer after we could've had Gary Payton two years ago!
Secondly, there is a difference between giving up your youth, your bench,and you ability to add a max free agent this summer for an aging guard demanding a 3 to 4 year max extension. Kidd is 30 not 34 like Payton was back in 2001. If you want to complain about having Kidd and Duncan together in their primes along with their current collection of youthful talent then go right ahead...because anyone outside of you and Admiral's Payton cluster-**** society knows what is preferable.
Sorry, I don't like tossed salad like your "boy".Dinner is served, biyatch.
Wow!!! Great Stuff!!!
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If the Spurs win the Championship, I would expect that the person who invented the phrase "The Holting Pattern" to eat supersized portions of crow for however long we have been subject to his rantings.
You said he required an extension. He wanted an extension from Seattle. After he was traded, did he demand an extension? No.”Wrong. Payton required an extension at that time. Overlooking this inconvenient fact for you, do the Spurs ship out Parker and Rose for a two year rental of Payton?” — MB
And yes, I absolutely ship out Parker and Rose for two years of Payton, Duncan and Robinson.
I like winning.
In case you haven’t noticed, Robinson’s health hasn’t exactly held up with Rose under contract. We got Rose after Charlotte dumped him and turned a cast-off bench ‘tweener into a quality bench ‘tweener.”Without Rose there is no bench. Who exactly is the backup PF/C in your scenario who can give you 10 and 6 in 25 minutes a game? How do you expect DRob's health to hold up when he has to play extended minutes due to the lack of bench depth?” — MB
With the front office’s proficiency in finding diamonds in the rough, I was not worried about finding another cheap backup for Robinson.
Kevin Willis did a fine job in the beginning of the season before Rose figured out why he’s making starter’s money this season.
More incorrect assumptions. Payton would’ve given the Spurs and Duncan a bonafide second star to battle Shaq and Kobe at the cost of a unproven rookie PG, a bench big man and two guys who don’t play anymore.”Payton on the Spurs guarantees nothing except a weaker supporting cast and greater limitations on improving that team for the next friggin' decade.” — MB
Your insistence that Payton would’ve demanded or gotten an extension from the Spurs is absurd. Payton does not have a contract to date, moron. I told you that Steve Smith would be benched this season — $9 million contract and all — and you didn’t believe me. We could’ve gotten Payton for 2 years and if he didn’t work out or if we wanted to get younger, let him walk this summer just like Milwaukee will probably do.
That’s not true and proven by reality over your stupid conjectures. Payton was moaning for a contract extension from Seattle and when they wouldn’t give it, they eventually traded him. Payton does not have a contract extension to this day!”Again, Payton gets the extension at that time. DRob coming off the cap doesn't matter then. And of course you have to recreate a bench and hope that the Spurs can find some way to add another young talent of Parker's caliber.” — MB
You overrate benches. A smart NBA fan knows that championship basketball is predicated on a two-star system and role players.
You also diminish the fact that the Spurs front office excels at filling out benches with cheap, undervalued talent that eventually blossom in the Spurs system.
I’m down to a buck 65. You are still ugly, re .”First off, a little fat white **** like you who pickles his brain with grain alchol and shares nights with his "bud" in a single bed should never refer to anyone else as a "re ".” — MB
Did I miss the memo or did we get beat by the Lakers last year?”Secondly, there is a difference between giving up your youth, your bench,and you ability to add a max free agent this summer for an aging guard demanding a 3 to 4 year max extension. Kidd is 30 not 34 like Payton was back in 2001. If you want to complain about having Kidd and Duncan together in their primes along with their current collection of youthful talent then go right ahead...because anyone outside of you and Admiral's Payton cluster-**** society knows what is preferable.” — MB
Were Payton and Rose difference makers?
I’ve already destroyed your pathetic assumption that Payton would’ve gotten an extension from the Spurs.
Payton, Robinson and Duncan from 2001-03 > PossiblyKidd and Duncan in 2003
Trades guarantees an exchange to get talent, whereas cap space guarantees nothing but the ability to sign free agent talent.
Jermaine O’Neal is, was, and should always be the preferable option this summer, and if the Spurs traded for Payton, they could’ve won a le or two, let Payton walk and still go after O’Neal this summer.
How can I be a sexual if I fvcked your moms last night?”Sorry, I don't like tossed salad like your "boy".” — MB
Question.
P.S.
And that is how you slice, dice and stir fry a former Forum “legend”.
Wow... Holy !!! Great Stuff Guys...!!! Old Schooling like a mofo...
You all make this worth while....
Kudos to GW and MB....
"Put the money in the bag"
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Girls, girls--you're both pretty.
Perhaps we should stay on topic.
Did someone say Jermaine O'Neal?
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Apparently he doesn't want to be in Milwaukee long term and wanted out of Seattle.You said he required an extension. He wanted an extension from Seattle. After he was traded, did he demand an extension? No.
You like names. That's all you ever liked. You have no concept that it takes more than that to win.And yes, I absolutely ship out Parker and Rose for two years of Payton, Duncan and Robinson.
I like winning.
And it would be worse if Rose wasn't there. Learn.In case you haven’t noticed, Robinson’s health hasn’t exactly held up with Rose under contract.
Rose is one of the top 6th men in the game. He's had no problem at all playing the 4 as well as stepping into the starting lineup when needed. In fact the Spurs have an excellent record when he starts and DRob is wearing street clothes. Find me a non-"tweener" who puts up 10 and 6 in 20 minutes a game. "Tweener" means nothing except that your ignorant ass can look up his height on NBA.com and see that he is listed at 6'7". BFD.We got Rose after Charlotte dumped him and turned a cast-off bench ‘tweener into a quality bench ‘tweener.
Oh yeah. Great bigmen are a dime a dozen in today's NBA.With the front office’s proficiency in finding diamonds in the rough, I was not worried about finding another cheap backup for Robinson.
Ha. Rose is making less than the NBA average this season, chump.Kevin Willis did a fine job in the beginning of the season before Rose figured out why he’s making starter’s money this season.
Ha. No bench. Limited youth. No future.More incorrect assumptions. Payton would’ve given the Spurs and Duncan a bonafide second star to battle Shaq and Kobe at the cost of a unproven rookie PG, a bench big man and two guys who don’t play anymore.
Nope. Payton was rather clear about the extension at the time. And wait a second...if Payton is so great, why let him go? Why let him go after you give up Rose and Parker? And of course...why deal for Payton when you could sign him 2 years later without giving up anyone?Your insistence that Payton would’ve demanded or gotten an extension from the Spurs is absurd. Payton does not have a contract to date, moron. I told you that Steve Smith would be benched this season — $9 million contract and all — and you didn’t believe me. We could’ve gotten Payton for 2 years and if he didn’t work out or if we wanted to get younger, let him walk this summer just like Milwaukee will probably do.
Because he doesn't want to be in Milwaukee long term.That’s not true and proven by reality over your stupid conjectures. Payton was moaning for a contract extension from Seattle and when they wouldn’t give it, they eventually traded him. Payton does not have a contract extension to this day!
Ridiculous. Benches are vital, especially when your starting center is in the physical shape that DRob is in.You overrate benches. A smart NBA fan knows that championship basketball is predicated on a two-star system and role players.
Yeah. It's real easy to find someone like Rose. Real easy.You also diminish the fact that the Spurs front office excels at filling out benches with cheap, undervalued talent that eventually blossom in the Spurs system.
Ha. You should be reeling all the hot guys in now.I’m down to a buck 65. You are still ugly, re .
Did I miss the memo or did we get beat by the Lakers last year?
Were Payton and Rose difference makers?
What has a Payton-led team done in the last 2 seasons?
Yeah, Rose isn't good. If only he was 6'9" and a "balla" (<---presumably a term that only a "smart NBA fan" would use) then he wouldn't be a tweener and would be one of the league's top 6th men.
Ha. This was rather clear in the summer of 2001. You accepted this as a given then.I’ve already destroyed your pathetic assumption that Payton would’ve gotten an extension from the Spurs.
...and for the next 5 seasons? Get real, chump. You wanted the Spurs to blow their future all for two seasons. The Spurs cannot afford to do that and they did not do that. This summer is the last time that the Spurs can add a major talent to their team for the long haul, not some aging guard for a couple of seasons.Payton, Robinson and Duncan from 2001-03 > PossiblyKidd and Duncan in 2003
Trades with what as the bait? You just let Parker and Rose go.Trades guarantees an exchange to get talent, whereas cap space guarantees nothing but the ability to sign free agent talent.
So you end this (presumable) championship formula just after two seasons? WTF?Jermaine O’Neal is, was, and should always be the preferable option this summer, and if the Spurs traded for Payton, they could’ve won a le or two, let Payton walk and still go after O’Neal this summer.
Ha. That is how your ignorant adolescent view of the game is once again, exposed.And that is how you slice, dice and stir fry a former Forum “legend”.
Quick quiz...who's more important to the Spurs...Rose or SJackson?
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