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You overvalue the Mavericks way too much.
Mouse et. al. your team darn looks good right now granted. Marty Burns has them number one for SI in the power rankings, and I cannot argue against that right now.
Last night against the Heat (albeit without Shaq) they kept withstanding runs and Dirk was sublime throwing in falling down threes etc.
Before the season I said don't "sleep on the Mavericks" in at least the West Conf regular season race, and they are evolving in a credible threat to challenge the Spurs for the Division at least and with a pickup of one or two of the right players they could become "scary".
Looking forward to the re-match game in the next week or so, Spurs do need to step up and make an early season statement.
You overvalue the Mavericks way too much.
How is that so? Mavericks are a solid, and still relatively deep team with a superstar and a growing committment for defense.
I do not believe they are as good as the Spurs but the Mavs are a good team and could well win high 50s to low 60s games. Spurs do not play up to potential or get an injury to a key few players, Mavs could take the division.
I would still take the Spurs over the Mavs even giving them the homecourt but it could be a tough series.
I completely agree with Rummpd. You didn't see them play last night Tpark, the Mavericks looked really good, and their defense is pretty good. They shut us to 84 poitns, thats good defense. I think its us two in the West, with Denver behind us.
I wasn't impressed by the Heat game.
Antoine Walker was in no-pass/ball hog mode. He was the main reason of Mav's success.
They couldn't stop Jayson Williams penetration, and Devin Harris/Jason Terry are poor playmakers, in the third quarter their offense was only 1vs1 and jumpshooting.
Zo's block on Harris was huge and shows that Harris has more heart than head.
They look better against Spurs .It's true that their defense is better than last year (like Suns) but I'm not sold on them (for the moment).
Dallas has beat the Spurs by 15+, the Pistons by 30+, and the Heat by 14+.......yea, they're really overvalued
did not dallas start off hot before like 2 years ago and never did anything
props to dallas so far but are they peakign to soon?
and then the spurs caught them
I never understood that...that could be said for any team in the league. My point was directed to whoever commented that the Mavs are over-valued. They are playing really well and deserve props. Who knows if they can continue this, but they should get credit for thoroughly beating the Spurs, Pistons, and Heat...I never thought they would have.
this early in the season some teams will beat the spurs because spurs usually start off slow and pop tries different things to see if they work
after the allstar break things will change and that is really when things matter
dallas tied us for the division a few years ago. they usually have a more difficult time playing playoff type grind it out ball. it will be interesting to see how they do this year. they were very close to beating us in 2003 wcf. i think that was the last time dirk played big in the playoffs, especially after he broke a tooth.
The mavs are the spurs biggest threat I feel. If they meet in second round I have alot of confidence that they could pull it out. Alot of things have to go right but I like the matchups that Dallas has against the spurs.
"dallas tied us for the division a few years ago"
Tied for the season in 02/03, as Pop sat both Tim and SJax in Game82, Mavs@Spurs, Spurs lose meaningless game, stay at 60W, while Mavs achieve 60W.
Spurs got lucky in WCF with Dirk's knee getting hurt (Manu fell into the side of Dirk's knee under the basket after a play, very much like Manu into Leandro knee).
The Mavs were like 17-0 to start that year.
Yeah but now the mavs play defense. They are giving up about 90 points per 48 minutes. That is great.
let's wait until at least midseason to see if they keep playing defense.
They played a Shaq less Heat team.You didn't see them play last night Tpark, the Mavericks looked really good
Whoopie.
if if if if if, could could could could, maybe maybe maybe.Spurs do not play up to potential or get an injury to a key few players, Mavs could take the division.
How so, the Spurs were up 2-1, and it happened in game 4, wich the Spurs were up by 8 or 10 when he got hurt.Spurs got lucky in WCF with Dirk's knee getting hurt
So, once again, I would like for the myth of the Spurs getting lucky in 03, would be brought up again.
Please OH PLEASE tell me again.
Yeah, Boutons, do you really think we would have lost to them if Dirk didn't get injured? Duncan would not have let us with Robinson's final season. I think we would have beaten them with Dirk.
Than again the mavs are capable of coming back from 8 because of their explosive offense. With Dirk out the mavs lost that ability and the spurs won that game alot with the series. Also Dallas might've won game 6 with Dirk. Spurs got lucky no matter how you look at it.
like barkley says, the best team always wins a 7 game series. the spurs were the better team that year, and won the le.
How can anybody be so stupid to think that Mavs losing Dirk's scoring and rebounding had no impact on the outcome sof any 03 WCF 03 games, and perhaps the series?
Spurs were lucky not to win, but NOT to have to play Mavs full strength.
Sorta like saying losing Tim in '00 had no effect on Spurs playoff results.
Some years, you're lucky, some years not.
Yes, but if you look at their wins during the 60 win season you'll see that they have a bad record against the potential playoff teams: they won 1/4 against Sacramento, 1/4 against the Spurs (and that's with your main guys sitting), 1/4 against the Lakers (without Shaq), 2/2 with Minnesota, and so on. Basically, our record was a sham.
I think the most important part of all is that I can't remember the last time we've beaten the Spurs in the regular season with Duncan let alone via a blowout. Bear in mind we met you twice earlier in the season last year and you guys still kicked our asses.
I'm not saying Dallas is better than the Spurs because like I said in the other thread, we have a lot of work to do - point guard play, making use of Damp inside more (which is difficult considering his bad hands), consistency, etc. but I think this year's Mavs is different from the ones you've seen in the past.
Man. I'm starting to get fed up at these threads and comments after one loss.
Credit. Dallas is playing good, looking good, and so forth. There's your credit.
Here's the fact. NOBODY #$%^& CARES. It's about consistancy, rings, winning those clutch games, and doing it with defense. Awesome. Put up another ten 50+ win seasons, and keep doing what you're doing and the Mavs haven't improved a bit.
WIN SOMETHING. Dirk as a leader gets zero respect because the freaking Mavericks haven't even done what HOUSTON has done. Play good regular season ball all you want and give them all the credit you want, but until you have something to show for it, it's more like "Put one up, and then I'll shutup."
Not being big-headed. Just being honest. For once are you guys in Dallas going to prove you have something? I won't be looking out for it. I think a few other teams have been earning my attention. Put up or shutup.... repeat....repeat...
So tell us all what you did prior to 1999? are you saying you never posted at a website saying the Spurs will win it all? Your saying ony after a ring you can talk smack?
or was the real reason you was just to young to be on the www back in 1999? how old are you?
so let me get this straight, all the fans of all teams in the NBA who don't have rings should just STFU? why should they? who made you GOD of the www? why are you special?
I am sure we would all like to know. I know I would.
Last edited by Victor Newman; 11-26-2005 at 09:46 PM.
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