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Yak and Josh Richardson could be in play, too. The Knicks could like Richardson, but I sort of like him on the Spurs, too.
This scenario has come up many times, the Spurs consolidating later draft picks to get into the teens. In theory it works very well -- the team may not want to carry more than two rookies, this draft may fall off in the late teens to early twenties -- and so putting the Derrick White pick and Thad Young move-up together? Let's do it, right?
10 - Washington
11 - New York
12 - OKC
13 - Charlotte
14 - Cleveland
15 - Charlotte
16 - Atlanta
17 - Houston
18 - Chicago
19 - Minnesota
How likely are these teams to move back? If the draft flattens, surely they see the same thing. But then it depends on how things are shaking out.
My sense is that WAS, NYC, OKC, are too far to jump using 20 and 25. CHA already has those two picks and so splitting one isn't attractive to them. CHI and MIN are probably too short a jump to give up our picks. This leaves CLE, ATL, and HOU as possible targets.
At that point, what do those teams want? I feel like jumping into this range is actually harder than we'd like.
Yak and Josh Richardson could be in play, too. The Knicks could like Richardson, but I sort of like him on the Spurs, too.
I don’t see anyone valuing both of those picks enough to drop back. No one is going to overpay to drop back. We’ll have to overpay to move up.
I do however see an argument for OKC to take one of those plus something like next years top 8 protected 1st to do it. If we really valued someone at 12 it would be a risk worth considering.
Also, Presti could love having two more FRPs. He’d probably get off on that.
Yeah I don’t think it’s worth it unless they absolutely have a player in mind between 13-16. Otherwise at that stage just roll the dice, trust your scouts, and development program.
When I play GM on 2K (I know, this ain’t 2K) and I have multiple 1sts and still have my 2nd, I try to use the worse 1st pick in conjunction with the 2nd to move up a few spots and still have my better 1rd pick. Do you think that’s viable IRL if we use 25 and 38?
It's hard to see the team with enough roster spots to add two picks for their one.... I'd say maybe (big maybe) Chicago and/or Atlanta might be interested in a couple more nba ready guys on cheap deals...but that's the only possibilities I see unless it's a bigger deal involving current roster guys as well.
It may serve to think about what players the Spurs might want who will (likely) be gone by 20. EJ Liddell, Jaylen Williams, Tari Eason, Ousmane Dieng, Dalen Terry. There's a chance one or two slip through, but I'm not sure. After that, it's players like Jovic and Beauchamp, who are much more flawed.
If it's unlikely to trade up with those two picks, what are the possibilities of using one and future draft capital? It's not something the Spurs usually do, but there continues to be an issue here, I feel -- too many rookies with four picks. There may be an opportunity trading the other of the 20/25 to a team without a FR draft pick this year. (Clippers, Celtics, Suns, Jazz.)
20 and 25 don't have too much value.
The only possible trade is 20 or 25 + Poeltl to Charlotte for 13 or 15 and that won't be easy as Char was reluctant to trade either pick earlier in the year to the spurs.
OK City is trying to trade that pick, but up not down.
I'm starting to think more and more the Spurs trade 20 for a future lottery protected FRP.
There will be teams calling the Spurs for those picks and you know those teams will want 20 over 25
and if the Spurs don't want three first round picks they will agree to move 20 if their targeted player they think they can still get will be there at 25.
Charlotte wouldn't even look at this trade. I know I wouldn't. Poetl (with his situation) + 20 and 25 are not wotrh 13 and 15 in hthis draft.
You could possibly get one of Charlotte's picks using Poeltl, but they already declined and probably think they can get Duren or Williams.
The biggest threat to a CHA play is if they indeed hire D’Antoni. Not sure how he’d value a Jakob type.
The old regime does a Jakob and 20 for 13 deal I think. Yes he’s expiring (that sucks), but SAS would likely have to take back one of their Turds and $5M next year so there is that
But if they think they aren't getting Duren or Williams and the spurs offer Poeltl and 20 for 15 they might make the trade. Probably the only scenario where Charlotte bites on a trade.
It would take Portland to take Duren and Washington to take Williams so it's a long shot to happen.
Pick 15 may be enough to land Eason and at 9 the Spurs can get Davis. Then at 25 the spurs need to get a center.
Michael Jordan's influence and LaMelo Ball will determine whether they prefer to draft a center or trade for a big man vet, like Poeltl. Their interest in Ayton also factors in, of course. If Jordan is bent on postseason contention next year, it's all but certain Duren or Wlliams won't help much. If Ball wants to win immediately, and Charlotte is already nervous about retaining him in a small market, Poeltl might get the edge.
I don't think anyone disagrees that Poeltl grades out as having FRP value, but pick 13 seems a bit too rich for him. Swapping 13 for 25 and picking up Poeltl seems like a trade Charlotte could claim to have won. If I'm the Spurs, I look at that, or ask for future SRP in return to get something closer to even value in the exchange.
Although, the Spurs would have to get pick 13, because Charlotte could still draft a center at 15. Assuming Duren and Williams are each on the board at 13, at least one of the two will be available at 15 because Cleveland will not draft a center at 14. San Antonio would at least want the theoretical possibility of getting their preference between Duren or Williams, if they choose to draft a center.
Another wrinkle with Charlotte is Gordon Hayward. I view him as a negative contract, especially as he doesn't seem capable of staying healthy. Charlotte probably does too, but would never admit it. We could offer to take on Hayward's contract in an expanded deal to make a play at 13 and 15. Charlotte's payroll is about to balloon because Bridges and Washington are due for significant raises this summer. Shedding Hayward makes that much more digestible for a small market team like Charlotte. Poeltl + Richardson + Langford + 20 for 13, 15, and Hayward?
Bro, I get it, you LOVE Eason.
He said 13 or 15...not both...Charlotte would do that deal..
Yes but we shouldn't. Poeltl is worth more than moving up 7 spots from 20. If it was Richardson we were talking about, then probably I'd do that.
Of the myriad outcomes this draft could return, I see this as one of the better outcomes available.
Yea...I'm not purposing it, I'm just saying that Charlotte would do what he purposed... I'd actually prefer to extend Poeltl and look at moving him next summer but, I might consider a Charlotte trade on draft night IF someone I really wanted fell to that 13th spot.
Poeltl for 13 (+ fillers) straight up sounds reasonable for both parties, but given the abundance of centers I expect Charlotte to target Duren or Mark Williams instead.
I think that's reasonable as well....As for Charlotte, I think they'd prefer Poeltl to either of those guys...I just feel like they want to make a push next year with Melo and neither of the rookies will provide what Poetl brings in year one. If they get a good vibe from his agency that he'd resign then I think they'd bite.
Honestly I don't think Poeltl fits their play style at all.
Where can they get a better 5 for next year?
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