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ya we did
holt got lucky and so did spur fans
ya we did
He is not the only oneholt got lucky and so did spur fans
even if holt didnt buldge at the max, parkers game will be expose by the spurs and other teams, no one sets the high pic n roll like duncan does, trade parker though
He'll get his in 6 years. He'll be 29 and in his prime. The Spurs will have to pay him or lose him at that point.
even if holt didnt buldge at the max, parkers game will be expose by the spurs and other teams, no one sets the high pic n roll like duncan does
actually rasho sets that pick the best of the spur players
does duncan's contract last 6 more years?
tp will need a big in 6 years if duncan is done.......
Doesn't matter if Duncan is done or not. They will have to pay Tony or lose him.
What I meant is that this is the second time Holt got lucky with regards to contracts. Manu's 52/6 contract is another fvking steal on his part.He is not the only one
He looks lucky NOW.
At the time, they were risks.
Btw,
281 Million Vbookie cash???
I don't think they were risks at all. Lots of people saw their value before they were about to sign their contracts. The have both proven they deserve those contracts and more.
I got lucky in a couple of bets
I'm going to wait for a while before I believe that. By that time, he'll have taken the pounding of 11 NBA seasons. And as a slight-of-build point guard who relies heavily on speed to be successful, 11 years of NBA mileage will probably have taken some toll by that point.
That's the thing with all of these young players coming into the league. People look at a 30 year old and believe he's entering is prime, but if he's got 12 years under his belt and has taken a pounding for that long, his prime will likely come earlier.
The reason why 28-31 is generally considered a player's prime is because a player has gained experience but still has a good deal of athleticism. But the experience is the sole reason why a player's prime falls during those years. An NBA player isn't typically in his physical prime at age 30. A player is in his physical prime after he's been in the league for some period time and has had a chance to condition and establish his ideal playing weight.
So if a player coming out of college at age 22 hits his prime after maybe 6 years in the league when he's 28, it's logical to think that Parker could hit his prime this season or next season or the season after. After all, if experience is the primary factor in a player reaching his prime, Parker is certainly ahead of the experience curve for a player of his age. But his body has taken more of a pounding, too.
I guess what I'm saying is that the idea of a player reaching his prime at age 28-31 isn't going to apply any longer. Sure, a 30 year old body can probably recover more quickly than a 36 year old body, but the constant pounding an NBA player takes over time is still going to add up. I really believe that you'll start to see players hitting their primes at a younger age on average.
Think about it this way: Van Exel, who isn't the same player he used to be, has played 12 full seasons. Mike Finley, who arguably has lost a step, has only played 10 full seasons. If Parker stays healthy, he'll probably have played more minutes at the point when his contract expires than Van Exel has in his career to this point.
And Parker is a part of that. Few point guards start in the NBA for 11 years and survive without losing a step or three. Parker might be an exception, but since he relies so heavily on speed, it seems likely that a decline in his quickness would lead to the end of his prime. So I don't buy that Parker will be hitting his prime when his current contract is over. I think it's much more likely that we'll see him reach that stage in the next year or two or three or four. And that's good for Spurs fans, because Tim Duncan is still dominant and likely will be for the next few years.
The Spurs did well to lock up Parker, because his best years are going to be the next several years. It's hard to know what he could get on the open market when his current deal expires.
Brodels, I agree with most of what you say, but there are exceptions. How old is Nash? 31? 32?
If he gets a consistent jump shot, wich is definately happening, then that will help with the wear and tear and depending on speed.
I wonder if our top3 players will stay in SA until they retire....
I don't believe Manu will. <Gets ready for Church of Manu attack> Someone was referring to Tony taking a beating, but Manu takes more of a beating than almost any player in the league. With some of his injuries, we've gotten a preview of the 32-33 YO Manu, and it isn't pretty. Someone will pay him ridiculous cash. It just won't be the Spurs.
Nash has played 9 full NBA seasons, 7 NBA seasons with starter's minutes. When Parker finishes his current contract, if he stays healthy, he'll have played more minutes by the end of his deal than Nash has played in his entire career to this point. Nash was born in 1974.
Although Nash isn't afraid to drive to the hoop, I don't think he takes the pounding under the hoop that Parker takes. Nash is still a jump shooter, first and foremost. And it's hard to imagine that Nash expends much energy or takes much of a beating on the defensive end. Sometimes it looks like Nash doesn't even try to play defense.
But although Nash is a good example to think about, I'm thinking more about what's going to be average and what's going to be typical. There will always be players who can seemingly dominate without losing a step for 18 years. But most player will begin to lose something physically after playing 10 or 11 years in the league. And for players relying heavily on speed like Parker, that can be a serious problem.
I'm not saying that Parker won't be awesome at that point in his career or that he'll absolutely slow down. All I'm saying is that we need to think about how we think about the average NBA player's prime years. It's different now. And Parker will have a significant amount of mileage on his body when his current contract is up.
Again, Brodels, I agree with most of what you are saying. I'm just playing devil's advocate.
Another thing to consider is that Parker does not play too many minutes.
Manu who?
No, he doesn't, and he's the number 3 option.
I guess I'm the only one not seeing this beating/wear and tear that Parker is taking. Most times, when he goes all the way to the rack, he's untouched. His game is also played very close to the floor, a la JKidd. He's got, what, 3 dunks in his career?
Where was Manu tonight?
Brodels brings up good points, and he could very well be correct.
But perhaps TP is like AI. AI is in his 30's, and never been a better player than he is now, and is still one of the very fasted players in the league. He has hit the deck and played more MPG than just about any player in league history, and it hasn't affected him.
Hopefully TP is the same.
That's actually a real good point, MI21. Iverson is 30, and in his 10th season. He only played one year at Georgetown, so he was Tony's age or a little older when he entered the league. He's had to carry the load his whole career, and has absorbed probably more contact than anyone not named Shaq during that time. He's still quick as lightning.
if tp did not sign that extenstion he would command the max
holt got lucky and so did spur fans
holt got lucky and so did spur fans
holt and pop played hardball. they made tony think they were doing him a favor by giving him the extra couple mil.
and now? TP is one of the best bargains...CIA Pop strikes again.
and this contract makes tony very attractive should the right trade come along...right ducks...
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