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He’s the top wing on my board not named Risacher. Assuming Risacher is off the board, my dream semi-realistic draft would be Castle at 4 and Buzelis at 8.
He’s the top wing on my board not named Risacher. Assuming Risacher is off the board, my dream semi-realistic draft would be Castle at 4 and Buzelis at 8.
When I saw the scouting report for Matas, I instantly thought he'll be the spurs target. Yet ST weren't mentioning him as much as the other prospects. He just screams the highest upside of all players of the draft. Shot blocking 4, that shoots 3s and can pass. Every team would want that.
So why isn't he highly sort after. Not even top 3? Why was Jabari Smith runoured to go 1 overall to the magic and not Matas for the Hawks?
Buzelissssssssssssss rules hehehehe
can he play!?? hmmmmm
This is my dude for this draft! Until the spurs sniff the playoffs I want them to draft the players with the highest potential. To me this is that guy for this draft.
Jabari Smith was an All-American and Freshman of the Year during a highly productive season at Auburn. Buzelis had a pretty underwhelming year with Ignite.
In my view, Jabari is the IDEAL player in the front court between Vic and Jeremy. Elite shooter, excellent defense and doesn’t need the ball to be impactful.
Not sure that’s Buz right now, but if they see the shooting potential he can be a reasonable facsimile. ZR is probably the closest to Jabari, but neither is really in the same stratosphere right now.
I just saw that the Wizards did a full court press elaborate welcoming for Buzelis during his workout. Makes a lot of sense for them to draft him. He was so impressed he posted it on his Instagram. This Draft is going to be wild.
I never did a lot of research on Matas. But on this broad it seemed like his character and work ethic was in question. According to this article, both are great! I could definitely see Spurs take him because he makes a pretty good fit. It may even allow Keldon to come back to the starting line up eventually with Matas as the PF.
Buzelis sits atop my big board, but he's nowhere near the prospect Jabari was. I'm optimistic that Buzelis does have an above average shooting touch in him, and I do see his floor higher than some give him credit for... but if the shot never comes around he won't live up to a Top 5 pick... but you can say something similar for this entire class.
This seems to be something that posters who don't like Matas read once and repeat as gospel. These kind of reports have never really been substantiated and in fact most reports say the opposite. Some posters on ST.com just have a weird agenda with convincing everyone their prognostications of the future MUST be the right ones, as opposed to the obvious fact that we're all just making best guesses of uncertain outcomes.
Yeah if the Spurs think he can be(come) an SF with all that entails, picking him makes a lot of sense.
Has he worked out with the Spurs? I haven't seen it listed if he has. Is this CIA Pop or are the Spurs not interested?
One fantasy lineup for the Spurs I envision, is this ultra-long lineup with switch-ability across the board.
Dejounte Murray (acquired via trade)
Devin Vassell
Lauri Markkanen (acquired via trade or FA)
Matas Buzelis
Victor Wembanyama
Your entire lineup would have wingspans of 6'10"+, with DJM and Devin able to routinely switch on guards, and the entire front court would have the ability to defend 3-5 (after Matas matures into his body).
People on this board have a hard-on for wanting to make decisions based on narratives around “at ude” and “character”. Our recent picks like Branham, Wesley, and of course Primo are great evidence of how well that’s worked. GG Jackson was a guy last year who got torn apart pre-draft last year for his at ude and he just had a super impressive rookie year as the youngest guy in the league.
Obviously work ethic and at ude matter, but these things are often brought up here based on random BS. A black player will post himself with jewelry and people here will say he’s not Spurs material because he has at ude issuesOr someone will say one thing in an interview and suddenly people here think that’s the sole determinant of their character.
GG Jackson has already been suspended by the Grizzlies. He called out his coach on Instagram in college. His teammates hated him. The team was far better without him this year than when he was there. He was a during workouts with teams. What happened this year is a miracle that has more to do with Taylor Jenkins than Jackson himself and I would be less than surprised to see Jackson out of the league before long judging by his history.People on this board have a hard-on for wanting to make decisions based on narratives around “at ude” and “character”. Our recent picks like Branham, Wesley, and of course Primo are great evidence of how well that’s worked. GG Jackson was a guy last year who got torn apart pre-draft last year for his at ude and he just had a super impressive rookie year as the youngest guy in the league.
Obviously work ethic and at ude matter, but these things are often brought up here based on random BS. A black player will post himself with jewelry and people here will say he’s not Spurs material because he has at ude issues
That aside, your take that "bad character makes good players and we should go for bad character" is the definition of a logical fallacy.
I'll go against the grain a bit here and say I'm way out on Buzelis. I'm not a believer in the shot at all, his senior year in high school is a major outlier from everything else we saw from him on the prep circuit and Ignite. Like LJ mentioned, if the shot doesn't come around he's just competing with minutes with Sochan, but Jeremy is higher level as a connector and defender.
The wings in this draft honestly just make me sad. I wouldn't take any of them with our top ten picks and would rather take a specialist like Baylor Scheierman in the second round.
Please show me where I said “bad characters makes good players”It’s more so:
1) Just because a player might have shown some negative personality trait at some point as an 18/19 year-old doesn’t mean that should automatically disqualify him from being a target. It also shouldn’t be the biggest deciding factor in a choice in the majority of cases (as with anything in life, no there are exceptions to this).
2) Most importantly, often on this forum people choose to judge character on ridiculous things. I can’t count how many times I’ve seen people on this board act like they’re uninterested in a player because of “at ude”, and then their example of the poor at ude is something absurd that isn’t a big deal at all.
Again, my argument isn’t that character shouldn’t be a factor or is irrelevant. It’s that it’s a very hard thing to judge (especially from the perspective of random armchair analysts on the internet), people change over time (especially teenagers), and the criteria for “good” or “bad” at ude on this forum is usually laughable.
Ive gotten to the point where Ive talked myself big time into any of the Risacher, Buzelis, Cody, Holland wings. I would be excited if SA gets any one of them but with regards to Buzelis especially against Risacher, his athletic profile is very hard to ignore comparatively
idk what it is but this guy just screams bust to me
Agree, the wings are really rough. Cody Williams is another player who historically has not been a good shooter from deep. I don't believe in Risacher beyond the possibility of role-playerdom. This is why I've gone nearly full-guard in my interests and why I keep mentioning Furphy.
Sounds like an overreaction from two points of information. One is Primo, and literally no one could have predicted what happened. The other is GG Jackson, where so many are WILDLY overreacting to the situation. There's like a one in a million chance he'd become even remotely playable after what he did. He was practically anti-social. And I'm not convinced he can keep it up.Please show me where I said “bad characters makes good players”
1) Just because a player might have shown some negative personality trait at some point as an 18/19 year-old doesn’t mean that should automatically disqualify him from being a target. It also shouldn’t be the biggest deciding factor in a choice in the majority of cases (as with anything in life, no there are exceptions to this).
2) Most importantly, often on this forum people choose to judge character on ridiculous things. I can’t count how many times I’ve seen people on this board act like they’re uninterested in a player because of “at ude”, and then their example of the poor at ude is something absurd that isn’t a big deal at all.
Again, my argument isn’t that character shouldn’t be a factor or is irrelevant. It’s that it’s a very hard thing to judge (especially from the perspective of random armchair analysts on the internet), people change over time (especially teenagers), and the criteria for “good” or “bad” at ude on this forum is usually laughable.
So... what's the point being made here? You seem to be saying to draft more GG Jacksons when there's like just one chance it ever pans out. This is like people posting players with the same stats as Giannis pre-draft and claiming that's a reason to draft more of them. One time events are one time events. Trying to find patterns isn't going to work.
And then people ding Branham and Wesley while failing to say who was available in that draft at that point.
he seems like a tweener. not fleet footed enough to survive defending out on the perimeter, and not strong enough to handle most 4's or the occasional switch onto a small 5 inside
ive mostly seen him as a 4 as a prospect, somewhat redundant with Sochan, which is why i havent been particularly enthused by him. id like him at 8, but i dont know about 4. then again, given how high i am on dillingham, if we took him dilly at 8, it would make taking a lower-ranked player at 4 more palatable
if he could thrive defending on the perimeter like Wagner, for instance, would make him way more appealing
Guess I gotta warm up to Buzelis but he is on my holy triumvirate of NO PLEASE GOD NO don't pick these 3 players for SA:
Holland, Topic and Buzelis in that order are 3 of my DO NOT WANT prospects but I will admit that of those three Buzelis is the only one I don't like where I feel like I'm "getting it wrong" on this one.
It's not at ude for me, haven't really seen anything personality wise I don't like from Buzelis. I loved that Buzelis challenged Risacher, that's just tenacity. That bodes well going forward.
I simply don't believe in Buzelis. I don't buy anything about him. Again, I sense this is a fallacy of mine and Buzelis proves me wrong or whatever but something about him, just a hunch, he doesn't have that IT factor for me like other prospects do and I don't know why.
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