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Ron Holland is like a Stephon Castle who doesn't know how to play basketball.
Ron Holland is like a Stephon Castle who doesn't know how to play basketball.
Hard pass on this guy, tbh. Typical athlete without a hint of skill, feel or BBIQ.
Not interested in Holland at all
Would be shocked if the Spurs took Holland at this point tbh. Between his completely broken shot and character concerns, I just don’t see it happening. Especially if Cody Williams is still on the board and the Spurs were looking for a wing at 8.
Too bad too cause Holland is an elite athlete and lethal in the open floor. He has size and talent you can’t teach, and he plays hard defensively. He’s just a negative offensive player right now who needs a lot of work/refinement/development.
i know im in the minority here, but i like him quite a bit. he's not in my top tier (risacher/sheppard/dillingham) but he's one of the guys i'd be content with taking at 4. however, there appears to be virtually no link between the spurs and holland (and theres apparently some off court stuff we are not privy to), so i understand it aint happening. i dont see the spurs taking him over Castle, Williams, or even (barf) Salaun... but same people who are cutting buzelis a lot of slack for the situation at ignite dont seem to give holland that same benefit of the doubt
i understand if the spurs want somebody closer to the final product than Holland (which is why Salaun particularly baffles me)
to me, his floor/starting point is a 6'8 blake wesley, while his ceiling kinda feels like derozan + very good defense. he doesnt have the footwork, midrange game yet, but the north/south attacking ability, drawing fouls without being harden/trae, and the gimples of playmaking are there. derozan didnt come into the NBA as a playmaker either, took him a long time to develop that part of his game.
ive been advocating for shooting shooting shooting (why my top tier above has 3 high end shooters), but have also consistently felt that IF they want to take a non-shooter, he better be exceptional elsehwere, and i do think holland fits the bill with his defense/explosiveness. if you asked me to predict which player from this year's draft is most likely to have a finals mvp on their resume in the next 10 years, holland is at or near the top of that list imo
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The only part of the article I disagree with is in regard to his shot. I think it's a complete teardown.
Yeah give me Holland over Salaun every day of the week tbh.
If we got someone like Sheppard at #4 I think Holland at 8 is a great gamble. But if we went Castle or Buzelis I’d much prefer Dillingham or Carter at #8.
Deer. Hard pass.
Who are those three or four players?
I agree that due to his freakish athletic ability in the open court and hard-nosed defense, if he ever figures out that jump shot, we could look back in 10 years and wonder how everyone passed on him. He could also be a knucklehead who never figures out his jumper and we’ll mock whoever drafted him in the lottery. Polarizing prospect for sure. Just don’t see the Spurs being the team to take a swing on him.
he's this drafts version of ausar thompson, albeit more confident in his jumper (for better or worse, tbh). not quite the athlete of the thompson twins, but not too far off
I think the compe ive edge and aggression he plays with are plusses that overcome the lack of skill or feel. There are better options at 4, but I like the swing at 8 if he's there.
I could be dead wrong but I’m all the way out on Holland. He didn’t do all that great in the athletic testing for a player that is labeled as super athletic. I see low Basketball IQ player here. I’m not going to question his character but strictly basketball I think he could just be a bigger less athletic Lonnie Walker
This is sort of what I was talking to Deeps about yesterday. Small-forward prospects who need to develop but can do some things well have a natural role on the team as the backup PF both Holland and Buzelis can play there to get up to NBA speed while they work on their shot. The team needs legit dynamism and defense in a second unit that has Johnson, Branham and Collins on it. Unless the Spurs believe Holland is much closer to fixing things that many others do, then he would be a hard sell at 4. But at 8, even a player with his limitations can play a valuable role. Putting the guys they draft into positions to succeed with the big club rather than sending them down to Austin to learn how to be a point-guard should be the only play for the first-rounder of this draft. For some players it makes more sense than others.Holland is raw but I don’t think more time in the G League would do him any good. Giving him minutes early and often is likely the best way to help him learn the game and evolve as a player. He’s probably not a starter as a rookie but he should be in the rotation early on.
Wouldn't have wanted him at say 7 if the Toronto pick didn't convey and the Spurs fell but with a second lottery pick can't say I'm against taking a home run swing on Holland unless they take a home run swing on Buzelis at 4 instead of a high floor guy like Risacher, Castle, or Sheppard there. Topic would have been my first choice HR swing at 8 before we found out about his T-rex arms, now feels like kind of a coin flip between Holland or Williams for high risk high reward pick at 8.
Maybe I missed this but what character concerns with Holland? I don't remember him having that stigma.
I don't love him at #8 but he'd be a pretty damn good pick for somebody in the 10-15 range if he fell that far tbh.
Bruce Bowen type on D and if he manages to develop an outside shot, he could be a key part of a playoff or even le team.
He seems like someone you round the roster out with, though, not draft high and have big expectations on both ends for. Don't think he's what we need right now.
nothing specific has come out, but i think a couple reporters made some vague reference to "non basketball reasons" for why he might fall. saw this like a week or two back
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Let’s draft Castle and Holland and play them with Sochan.
Eww, no.
Im in on Holland. Jaylen Brown arc…….I think he can be a higher ceiling Keldon replacement. It’s not like Keldon is an elite shooter or passer either even now, but Holland has shown some playmaking chops, hustles so hard on defense and has all the tools to score just as effectively over time as Keldon does now while adding in better playmaking and defense.
Reed + Holland is my favorite combo to walk away from this draft with personally
He is described as being the worst player without the ball in this draft. Draft Twitter loves this guy though but they are evaluating guys in a vacuum.
Hard pass. He sounds like a taller Blake Wesley. I’ll keep Blake. But we need mor BB IQ and shooting on this team.
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