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I've been thinking about Nazr's future with the Spurs and I'm curious what the rest of you think about it.
IMO and if I were the Spurs front office people, I'm going to keep Nazr throughout this season and let him explore free agency next summer. Why? Well IMO there really isn't anything that interesting out there that the Spurs could get in return for him execpt players with long contracts.
Now if the Spurs front office does that, that is let him play out the season with the Spurs, they'll most likely lose him and most likely get nothing in return. Which is kinda fine by me. With the play of Rasho thus far, the Spurs have a center that is more then capable of starting for a top team. We all know that. So Nazr after this season is pretty expandable IMO. We have Horry for another two seasons after this one is over and the same with Oberto. We obviously would have to find a big man somewhere, i.e. the Draft, free-agency, or what I would like the Spurs to do, bring Luis Scola here if possible. Now I don't know excactly Scola's contract structure, but I'm sure that Pop wants him here at some point.
Feel free to post your solution on Nazr's future in San Antonio.
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He should get a cheap contract, a payed a lot less then Rasho. Rasho and Nazr should end their contract at the same time. Then they both could have a contract year to battle with soon improved Fabricio. Winner takes it all.... Loser goes searching big money.
Since we are IMO, Nazr could walk and it would not kill us because quite frankly he has not made himself non-expendable. That does not mean that he is not an asset to this team. That does not mean that he cannot be a contributor. But does it mean that if he walks and we get nothing for him, we are screwed? Not really. I would like the idea of some draft picks for down the road, but losing Nazr is not as critical as some may think. IMO.
I mean, we found a way to win again without 5-0 patrolling the lanes, right? Life after Nazr does not seem as difficult compared to that.
Nazr has turned into injured Rasho.
It's pretty obvious that if the Spurs are serious about Scola, some big will have to go. Nazr seems to be the odd man out IMO. Some picks would certainly be fine for him. Nazr is going to demand some money next summer and I'm pretty sure the Spurs won't even offer him a contract. Not that he isn't worth Rasho's money, there is no way the Spurs will carry three bigs with big contract and long once to (Duncan, Rasho, Nazr).
If he keeps playing like he did last night then I think he'll wind up in the Spurs janitorial rotation somewhere in the future.
If he keeps playing like this the Spurs may have a hard time finding any takers if they try to move him around the deadline. Well, at least finding anyone who will give them someone worthwhile for Nazr. And unless Rasho really impresses some people in the coming months the Spurs will probably still have trouble moving his contract. If I were in the Spurs shoes, ride the season and see if you can resign him cheap, especially if he keeps having a ty year.
The playoffs, especially the Seattle series, showed that he can be a capable center, but I don't know what kind of $$$ GM's are going to offer him if he plays like this for another 4 months.
Nazr's in a contract year but is getting beat out for starting position and PT by whipping-boy Rasho. That's a fairly damning situation
I think we've seen all that Nazr will ever do for the Spurs.
Good offensive rebounder,
less good defensive rebounder,
not very athletic,
not very much bball IQ,
average FT shooter,
no jump shot,
weak finisher,
weak hands and ball-handling,
not much hustle,
doesn't understand team defense,
doesn't do help defense worth a
He's a nice-to-have but not at all a must-have.
I say let him walk, maybe start for a lottery team, maybe get back to the MPG and points he had for Knicks last year.
Last edited by boutons; 12-08-2005 at 04:17 PM.
Considering that Zeke loves undersized big men, it's no wonder that Nazr was starting for them. Wasn't he the only guy on the team taller than 6'5"?I say let him walk, maybe start for a lottery team, maybe get back to the MPG and points he had for Knicks last year.
The Spurs have someone waiting in the wings who could well be better than either Nazr or Rasho, comments about him from a draft board that rates him as the 3rd best foreign prospect.
3. Robertas Javtokas - Lietuvos Rytas, C, 6-11 (1980)
Was drafted #56 in 2001 by guess who, the San Antonio Spurs. An absolute steal back then, he was on his way to becoming the best defensive center in Europe when his motorcycle accident happened. It was questionable if he would ever walk again, much less play. But today, it's as if it never happened, Javtokas is the best defensive bigman in Europe. He has an NBA body and athleticism, a very good vertical leaper and he uses all these attributes to his advantage, especially on the defensive end. His offense is steadily improving, he's developed a nice hook shot that he's hitting with regularity and is good finisher around the basket. He can be erratic from the FT line and need a more consistentcy on his jumpshot from 15 ft out. He might be a better center than any current center San Antonio has, which considering the group (Mohammed, Oberto, Nesterovic) speaks for itself. The rich have options to become even richer.
http://nbadraft.net/velkavrh001.asp
That's a really big "might" since alot of folks said the same thing about Oberto before he even took the floor.He might be a better center than any current center San Antonio has
Their comments not mine, but I saw this guy on a recent public health trip to Lithuania = he is the real deal at least physically. Monster physique, almost Kevin Willis like, and was taking up space like no current Spurs center,
This year Next year
Rasho 20 minutes Rasho 20 minutes
Nazr 12 minutes Oberto 12 minutes
Oberto 8 minutes Mahinmi 8 minutes
Nazr is gone, NLT 30 June. He wants to be paid, but there is really nothing that he does that Oberto can't do, and in fact Oberto has better hands, better vision, and about double the b-ball IQ. Bring Ian over in the third banana role that Oberto has this year to get him some court time.
BTW, the Spurs big man rotation is kicking ass. The combination of Tim, Rob, Fab (OMG, we have Milli Vanilli on our roster!), Rasho, and Nazr in 93.5 minutes per game, covering the 4 and 5 spots, are averaging 39+ points 26.9 boards and 5 blocks.
My POV :
Spurs (as other teams) need 6 bigs :
1) one starting PF
2) one starting C
3) first big from the bench
4) second big of the bench
5) guy for garbage time and foul trouble
6) IL guy (a prospect or a chemistry guy for practice)
This year :
1) Duncan
2) Rasho aka The Beast
3) Horry
4) Nazr
5) Oberto
6) Marks
For salary purpose, Spurs won't keep Nazr and Rasho next year. They will do a trade or let Nazr go this summer.
Mahinmi is very raw and I don't see him be better than the 6th big next year (if he comes).
Scola has his huge buyout.
Javtokas is very solid, has no buyout and want to play in nba next year.
Against Macabi tonight (the best team in europe who beat Raptors guring the preseason), he put 13 pt with only 4 FGA and grad 7 rebounds.
Next year
1) Duncan
2) Rasho or Nazr (I choose Rasho for the moment)
3) Horry
4) Oberto
5) Javtokas or Scola (with some significant minutes if he deserves it)
6) Mahinmi or Marks or another prospect (Scola or Javtokas are too good to be IL guys)
Last edited by Bruno; 12-08-2005 at 08:57 PM.
scola will never be a spur
I would very seriously look into trading him ASAP. IMO Rasho has not had the opportunity to develop properly. He like any player wanting to get in a groove, needs minutes. He offers so much more versatility than Nazr. Better D, a nice little hook, better passing skills and very soft hands for a big. All I see Nazr doing is taking minutes from Rasho and Oberto. I'd like to see the Spurs get Oberto some quality minutes now so that he can be more productive once the playoffs arrive.
Nazr might be able to equate to a draft pick or two which could be used to acquire new young talent or used as a package to get better proven talent. I acvtually expected he would be traded to Atlanta once their Center died early this pre-season. Maybe Seatle would be interested. I keep hearing about Radmanovic not being happier there. I'd much rather have him than Nazr.
I don't think many people really have enough love nor faith in the quality of player Rasho can be (except for the last week and a half when everyone has been jumping on his nuts). And as long as Nazr bites into his minutes, his true potential may never come to pass.
Dump Nazr, allow the development of Fabri and Rasho.
The only good thing about having Nazr is that he can come in when Rasho gets into foul trouble-------which does tend to happen too often.
javko will be a good fit for the spurs, he did pretty well at the olympics gaurding td n sum bigz
How soon we forget? The Spurs went after this guy because they weren't satisfied with the contributions of Rasho in the first place. In the second place, many of you may have forgotten that were it not for Nazr's contributions at the 5 spot, the Spurs may not have been able to "outlast" Detroit in the Finals or even get to the Finals for that matter. Nazr secured a place in the starting lineup because his contributions were steady and consistent.
While Nazr may have awful hands, and he may not be as solid a defender as Rasho, and he may not have the shooting touch from the elbow that Rasho has, but the guy is AGGRESSIVE. He is a "freaking" rebounding machine. He carves out position and goes after loose rebounds. How many times have we witnessed him "swallowing up" offensive rebounds or appearing out of nowhere to tip a loose ball out to the guards.
His presence frees Duncan up to work over the opposition's power forward. There is not another center (subtract TD) on the team that can do what he does on the glass. The Spurs would be foolish to compromise their championship aspirations by getting rid of this guy before seasons end.
Now after the season is over and should he command "crazy bank", I would hope the Spurs do some sort of "sign and trade" with Chicago and land a player like Luol Deng.
Wishing out loud, I know.
True but if Fabri ever pans out then the rebounding problem should be solved
Isn't that kind of bad that you have 3 negatives to 1 positive?While Nazr may have awful hands, and he may not be as solid a defender as Rasho, and he may not have the shooting touch from the elbow that Rasho has
To win the le again, we will need both Rasho and Nazr. Unless there is an unbelievable deal on the table (Luol Deng, cough, cough), keep the team intact and let's do this.
The Spurs did not go after Nazr to replace Rasho but to replace Malik Rose's contract. He will play out that contract and then be gone like the plan was all along. The biggest problem for Nazr is that he will already be 29 and the Spurs will not give an expensive 5 or 6 year contract to a guy that age.
How is Nazr a rebounding machine who swallows up offensive rebounds when he is averagng less than one offensive rebound a game with over 12 minutes per game. How is he more aggressive when his inside shooting % is lower than Rasho's and he gets more of his interior shots blocked. I try to be patient with his understanding of the defense but the problems with how I see him playing this year have nothing to do with understanding or comprehension or missing two weeks of training camp a month and a half ago. He is NOT fighting for rebounds; he is not finishing strong; he is not playing with any hustle. His contributions come from effort not finesse or fundamental skill. I expect to see him busting his butt so he can play more and I just don't see it. Rasho has raised his level of activity, his aggressiveness, his dare-I-say passion, and Nazr has digressed.
"busting his butt so he can play more"
how about busting his butt in a contract year so he can be paid more?
SenorSpur and Slayermin are right. Even though Nazr isn't playing well right now, he will come around and we will need him. In a sense, Nazr is built for the playoffs because he is always aggressive and likes to mix it up in the paint. You need that type of aggressiveness for playoff basketball.
Even though he didn't have the benefit of training camp last year and was often out of position defensively (still is), he was still very valuable to us for his tough offensive rebounding and thuggishness in the paint. It is imperative to have a guy like this against teams like Denver, Seattle and the Pistons who have bruising front lines.
Rasho is a nice, complimenting finesse player to have during the regular season and he'll contribute during the playoffs but he's the type of player who shies away mixing it up when neccessary. Much like Tim, he can be thrown off his game when he gets pushed around. He tends to wilt in pressure situations and can often get bullied when the games get physical.
They both have the plusses and minuses but for this season, I think it would be wise to hang on to both so we don't have to gamble on Oberto adjusting to the NBA this year.
"he is always aggressive"
NOT on defense, where he's liability. He doesn't take responsibility for stepping up and into the drivers to cut them off. If he even arrives in the plany, he's late, then backpeddles while trying to block shot until he's under the basket. Useless.
He's not a thug in any sense. His fouls are like Rasho's, out of pure clumsiness.
I often see him spectating a shot ball, like a cat watching a bird, instead hustling into position under the basket and blocking out.
This "he's not season player, but a playoff-only guy" is pure bul . He doesn't have the career and track record of playoff success to go AWOL all season.
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