Even Colin Powell thinks Bush is a lying bas

[Oh, Gee!!]

Powell supports eavesdropping but questions bypassing court




WASHINGTON (AP) -- Former Secretary of State Colin Powell on Sunday supported government eavesdropping to prevent terrorism but said a major controversy over presidential powers could have been avoided by obtaining court warrants.

Powell said that when he was in the Cabinet, he was not told that President Bush authorized a warrantless National Security Agency surveillance operation after the September 11, 2001 attacks.

Appearing on ABC's "This Week" Powell said he sees "absolutely nothing wrong with the president authorizing these kinds of actions" to protect the nation.

But he added, "My own judgment is that it didn't seem to me, anyway, that it would have been that hard to go get the warrants. And even in the case of an emergency, you go and do it."

The New York Times reported on its Internet site Friday that the NSA has traced and analyzed large volumes of telephone and Internet communications flowing into and out of the United States. The program bypassed the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.

Powell said Congress will need to judge whether Bush is correct in his assertion that he could approve eavesdropping without first obtaining court orders.

"And that's going to be a great debate," Powell said.

Powell, who also is a former chairman of the military Joint Chiefs of Staff, had no reservations when asked whether eavesdropping should continue.

"Of course it should continue," he said. "And nobody is suggesting that the president shouldn't do this."

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http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/12/....ap/index.html

[SA210]

Big Bush Lies: Bush Lies, Then McClellen Lies In Cover-Up Attempt, Jerry Politex


"A federal judge has resigned from the court that oversees government surveillance in intelligence cases in protest of President Bush's secret authorization of a domestic spying program, according to two sources....At the White House, spokesman Scott McClellan was asked to explain why Bush last year said, "Any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so." McClellan said the quote referred only to the USA Patriot Act." --Washington Post, Dec. 21, '05.

This is not true. Bush was explaining that there was no difference between wiretaps before the Patriot Act and wiretaps after the Patriot Act: "Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so. It's important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think Patriot Act, cons utional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Cons ution." This was a lie, given the New York Times story on the subject on Dec. 16 and Bush's admission on December 17: "On Friday, the New York Times revealed that, after the 2001 terrorist attacks, Bush authorized the NSA to eavesdrop inside the United States without court-approved warrants. The newspaper said thousands of people may have had their phone calls and e-mail monitored as a result. Bush, appearing angry during his radio address, called the program lawful and crucial to safeguarding America from further attacks." --Houston Chronicle.

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Case CLOSED ladies and germs. Refreshments at the counter.

[JoeChalupa]

Colin Powell rocks!!

[boutons_]

The biggest stain on Colin's career was serving in the disastrous, lying, corrupt, venal dubya/ head administration. The mother ers set him up when they sent him up to the UN with bull "evidence".

[Vashner]

It's called "Classified Data"... and it's all over the place.

Even here in San Antonio what do you think they do at the Hill with Crypto all day long?...

If a democrat wins they will have to sign stacks of classified projects off. Same for any president. Bush did the right thing authorizing these taps. Big ing deal.

Bunch of ing pussies...

[Oh, Gee!!]

***scratches head and asks "huh?"***

[SA210]

It's called "Classified Data"... and it's all over the place.

Even here in San Antonio what do you think they do at the Hill with Crypto all day long?...

If a democrat wins they will have to sign stacks of classified projects off. Same for any president. Bush did the right thing authorizing these taps. Big ing deal.

Bunch of ing pussies...

Here's what Bush has to say on the matter

"Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so. It's important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think Patriot Act, cons utional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Cons ution."

Cut and Dry

[gameFACE]

Powell's view isn't a surprise. Originally he was one of the one's who questioned why Bush needed to go to war with Iraq, too. I'm glad he left the administration.

[Oh, Gee!!]

you need to change the av, gameface. TD shaved the afro.

[gameFACE]

Actually it's a photoshop thing I did last year but yeah, i'll probably have to change it.

[SA210]

"Telling outright falsehoods has become old hat for the Bush Administration, hasn't it? I mean, really, we've had a whole load of whoppers lately, but in today's WaPo, Glenn Kessler unloads on the latest "urban legend" to come out of the Preznit's mouth.

It seems the whole "the fact that we were following Osama bin Laden because he was using a certain type of telephone made it into the press as the result of a leak." is nothing but a big, old lie.
The al Qaeda leader's communication to aides via satellite phone had already been reported in 1996 -- and the source of the information was another government, the Taliban, which ruled Afghanistan at the time.

The second time a news organization reported on the satellite phone, the source was bin Laden himself.

It's kind of tough to blame it on the media when Bin Laden is the one who told the media in the first place that he was using satellite phones, now isn't it?"


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...94.html?sub=AR

[Nbadan]

Powell's view isn't a surprise. Originally he was one of the one's who questioned why Bush needed to go to war with Iraq, too. I'm glad he left the administration.

Too little too late from Powell, don't you think? er had the chance to admit to the American people that he was supplied with corrupt intelligence by Cheney's Office of Special Plans, but he went along with the 'lie', , even with what we know now, Powell still supports this stupid invasion.

[SA210]

^^^exactly

[Dos]

it's funny how you never questioned the same intel the previous adminstration put out as well..... ?

[Dos]

here is interesting poll on just exactly where you stand with your fellow americans..
right if polls mean anything.... lol

SORRY, NYTIMES: AMERICA IS OK WITH NSA
December 28, 2005 03:23 PM

I'm not much of a poll watcher, but the new Rasmussen numbers on Americans' views of the National Security Agency's counterterrorism programs are very notable:

December 28, 2005--Sixty-four percent (64%) of Americans believe the National Security Agency (NSA) should be allowed to intercept telephone conversations between terrorism suspects in other countries and people living in the United States. A Rasmussen Reports survey found that just 23% disagree.
Sixty-eight percent (68%) of Americans say they are following the NSA story somewhat or very closely.

Just 26% believe President Bush is the first to authorize a program like the one currently in the news. Forty-eight percent (48%) say he is not while 26% are not sure.

Eighty-one percent (81%) of Republicans believe the NSA should be allowed to listen in on conversations between terror suspects and people living in the United States. That view is shared by 51% of Democrats and 57% of those not affiliated with either major political party.

[Oh, Gee!!]

get a warrant

[boutons_]

"here is interesting poll on just exactly where you stand with your fellow americans."

The NSA is running a huge fishing expedition, plugged right into network operators' hubs, sucking in terabytes of data on EVERYBODY, essentially snooping EVERYTHING, hoping to catch a fish. The scale of this operation has nothing to do with snooping specific suspects.

(One of shrub's most egregrious, repeated lies is that he doesn't pay attention to polls.)

[gameFACE]

Too little too late from Powell, don't you think? er had the chance to admit to the American people that he was supplied with corrupt intelligence by Cheney's Office of Special Plans, but he went along with the 'lie', , even with what we know now, Powell still supports this stupid invasion.

I agree he had the chance to admit to the American people he had corrupt intelligence but opted not to. But to think he would admit it is dreaming. The Bush administration was too busy pandering and taking advantage of American's feeling vulnerable after 9-11 to justify a gain support for war in Iraq.

But if this is a tiny breakthrough in a way to bring an unsubstantiated war to an end i'll still take it. If you think it's too little too late and want the war to continue thats too bad.

[JoeChalupa]

I'd still vote for Powell if he ran for President.