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In other news, Sony still didn't have a working PS3 to show off
CES 2006: Microsoft 360 Announcements
MS will release HD-DVD external drive by end of 2006.
by Gerry Block
January 4, 2006 - Microsoft opened CES with a Tuesday night keynote speech by Microsoft Chairman and founder Bill Gates and friends. Amidst the Windows Vista and Windows Media Center demos, Vice President Peter Moore got the chance to get on stage and make some rather interesting, if somewhat vague, 360 related announcements.
Most interesting was his revelation that Microsoft will release a HD-DVD external drive for the Xbox 360 by the end of 2006. Presumably the add-on is for DVD playback not necessarily games. No further details were provided, however, the words "Blu-Ray" were never mentioned by any of the Microsoft execs, and all demos done on stage with Media Center PCs were based upon HD-DVD. Microsoft, it would seem, has chosen its side of the looming next-gen-DVD battle, and not surprisingly has decided to get on the opposite side of Sony.
Moore also got the chance to release some pretty positive sales numbers for the Xbox 360. According to Moore, Microsoft is on track to sell between 4.5 and 5.5 million units by the end of June, and can boast a ratio of four games and three accessories purchased with each 360 unit. According to Microsoft, Xbox 360 is the fastest selling console ever, a statistic that, if true, doesn't explain the shortages in North America or Europe, the poor sales in Japan, or the returned systems. Microsoft barely scraped out 1 million units before year's end in a three-territory launch and could have sold millions more if the consoles were available. Also highlighted was the fact that while only 10% of Xboxes were ever connected to Xbox Live, 50% of Xbox 360 units are now running online.
Moore stressed the great benefits of Xbox Live as a channel to the key 18-34 year old demographic, and cited the exclusive release of the Mission Impossible 3 trailer on Xbox Live as evidence of the excitement the entertainment industry has for Xbox Live as a content and advertising distribution avenue.
Also announced was a promise of 20 games on Xbox Live Arcade by the end of March, including Capcom's classic arcade game Street Fighter 2, as well as 50 HD games for the 360 by the end of June. The keynote ended in a demo of EA's Fight Night Round 3, with Gates helming Ali and Steve Balmer piloting Fraiser. The game looked hot on the giant stage screen, and despite some billionaire-trash-talking, Gates managed to kick Balmer's ass. Before the 360 segment had concluded, Microsoft announced a playable demo of the game was available on Xbox Live Marketplace. Fight Night Round 3 is due to ship on Xbox 360, Xbox, and PS2 February 21.
Microsoft also made inroads with MTV ith its new Urge digital music service, which uses Windows Media Player 11 and accesses more than 2 million songs from major and independent labels in addition to MTV content. Expect this service to connect with Xbox 360 sometime in the future.
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Don't know if this will be on my "to buy" list, but just thought I'd give everyone a heads up if they were planning on upgrading their DVD player to HD-DVD anyway.
In other news, Sony still didn't have a working PS3 to show off
PS3 is set for late Spring of 2006 and there aren't really any tech shows or E3 type events to show it off. So why do it.................
360 can't be boasted there is no GOOD games for it.
So far all the games are only using 33% of the X-Boxs' resources. (graphic wise)
All the games out for the 360 are the same as a regular X-Box. And they're are no games..................ummm yeah even though it is early at least some games should be heard of so far none. I feel sorry for all the lads wasting there money on a box. Oh yeah....... and like over 57% of the 360s' have bugs and overheating problems.
It's not that they are Opposite Sony... that's absurd...
Sony has ALWAYS fought open standards..
They wanted Beta instead of VHS..
SDcard instead of Compact Flash
Even DVD was fought by Sony... not Microsoft.
The HD is a much more open standard than Sony.
Don't forget Sony put trojan virus on music...
I have seen the current PS3...In other news, Sony still didn't have a working PS3 to show off
It's an ATX computer in a box.. (regular old pc) with SLI 7800's...
They don't have a public working console yet.. just the software core running on pc's lol..
Sony fanboy!
I play for the games not to be Microsofts or Sonys .
As for the 360 games, cmon, did you expect the first wave of games to all be incredibly awesome? Get over it, the 360 has yet to peak.
All things aside, if your cheap, (E20) go ahead and pick sides. If you're a true gamer, buy all the consoles and enjoy all the great games. Which is why I already have my PS3 reserved.
PS2 > Xbox
and thus...
PS3 will likely > Xbox360
Its all about gameplay people, sure the Xbox had better graphics than the PS2 but sheyitt the games were teh suck. GT4, GTA, Final Fantasy all the other jap RPGs. Until Xbox gets some les worth having its got nothing on the Sony system.
why don't people just get both systems and STFU?
I'd rather "sell out" and buy both or even all three, then I get to enjoy Halo 3, MGS4 and whatever Mario/Zelda will be on the Nintendo Revolution.
Play games people, not consoles.
Addendum: Is the 360 even out in Australia yet?
Why do it? Because this was THE trade show to make their statement. Instead they came out and showed off a 2 year old projector and mumbled about still having the PS3 release in late spring.PS3 is set for late Spring of 2006 and there aren't really any tech shows or E3 type events to show it off. So why do it.
For something that's only 4 months away from launch you'd think they'd at least have a box by now...
As for the games, sorry I'm not an anime freak, hence the 360 works for me - all the great first person shooters you could ask for, especially when Halo 3 rolls. All the sports games you could ever want.
I guess if I wanted to beat off to Final Fantasy 26 I'd be jazzed about the PS3, but seeings I don't it's not all that great.
The Grand Theft line is pretty played out IMO.
and isn't exclusive to Sony anymore anyway.
I like everyone parroting....PS2 over Xbox...they have graphics we have gameplay...it's funny when you compare the games on both systems...who prevails...90% xbox.
I have both systems and I play the xbox a lot more. I purchased a 360 and even the graphics and capabilities overwhelm the current generation. If you have a HD TV and sound system you'd be re ed to think it's just slightly upgraded from the xbox or ps2.
I think graphics wise Xbox > PS2, but then Sony Fanboys say they have more games because of backwards compatability with PS1. Now the 360 has evened the "games available" field, now what do the Sony Fanboys say, well, now, uh.........wait until the PS3....it'll have Bluray and controllers shaped like bananas......its funny.
What will be the next "beta": HD-DVD or Bluray, hmmmm, who introduced beta to overtake VHS anyway and for that matter, who introduced MiniDisc to overtake CD's? --- SONY.
Danyo you preach on play the games only, but your posts show lots of X-Box nut riding. And Aggie PS isn't all about Final Fantasy there was only 1 Final Fantasy game on the PS2 and that wasn't why PS2 ing owned X-BOX, the reason being was that X-BOX has crap games to play. Say what you want. Halo and Doom 3; OK that is a lot of variety...........my ass.
People here might dislike Sony fro some reason, but for me it's not about the companies. It's about the entertainment value and Sony's gaming >>>> Microsofts gaming. Chances are PS3 >>>> X-BOX 360.
With Playstation in general you get All the Sports les, All the Action les, All the Adventure les, The best stealth le ever MGS. All the RPG les, EVERYTHING.
With Box you get: Halo, Doom........oh yeah Splinter Cell.
And they're all availbe for the PC.
I'll admit it I don't like the X-BOX, why? Because when the X-BOX first came out I'm like ok I don't care, but too many people ramming it in your face like it was something holy and the ulitmate piece of gaming hardware ever. And all the box boys are a y and just go around running around in circles yelling:
X- BOX HAS BETTER GRAPHICS IT IS BETTE NANANANANNAA.
And about the graphic thing, no company really fully utiliziled it's full CPU graphics proccessor at 100% maybe X-BOX video game graphic designers/programmers are lazy and dont' care about their work, but no game really beat PS2's games (graphic wise) by like a mile, except Doom 3 and Fable and I think Farscape or somehting.
Oh yeah and the best piece of gaming hardware ever is the PS1.
Last edited by E20; 01-06-2006 at 07:02 PM.
WTF......If they don't have it ready untill Late Spring what would you show off. And didn't sony already confirmed how the PS3 will look like? They've already showed numerous game footage on lots of les.
Supposedly thats the new design. Everyone is wondering when they're going to unveil this unicorn. They didn't say at CES, other than Wireless PSP stuff, so I guess they'll say more in two months at the 2006 Game Developers Conference, and even then I wouldn't hold my breath.
im still goin to get a revolution, graphics is not important, whats most important is gameplay.
It's a ing game!
Quit asking mommy to buy you one , get a job and buy it yourself.
If you have a job and don't live with yo momma, buy some furniture. Chicks are not impressed with a Xbox.
Milk crates do not = an end table. A couch with bricks as one leg is not art. Washing your clothes in the sink is not old school.
I direct this at guys cause females could care less about a $300 game console.
When guys gets a hard on about a game and not a chick, they have a problem.
And the folks in this thread, they have a problem.
Xbox nut riding? Hardly, I replaced my PS1 with an Xbox, then with PS2, and now with a 360. I could care less who made the consoles, I play the games that intrigue me. It seems your the fanboy around here. As I've already said, I have my PS3 on reserve, hopefully they change the controller though. Next time you step into a Gamestop, step away from the PS2 wall and feel free to check out the other consoles. Why would I limit myself to one system, when I can enjoy all the hits from all the consoles. If you can't afford it, that's another thing, but if you call yourself a "gamer" and stick to one manufacturer thats just sad. You have tunnel vision when it comes to games. 360 and PS2 have alot of different games to offer, I bet if you switched the library of both consoles, you'd still say PS2>360, just because of your hate of Microsoft. What companies OS are you using again?Danyo you preach on play the games only, but your posts show lots of X-Box nut riding. And Aggie PS isn't all about Final Fantasy there was only 1 Final Fantasy game on the PS2 and that wasn't why PS2 ing owned X-BOX, the reason being was that X-BOX has crap games to play. Say what you want. Halo and Doom 3; OK that is a lot of variety...........my ass.
People here might dislike Sony fro some reason, but for me it's not about the companies. It's about the entertainment value and Sony's gaming >>>> Microsofts gaming. Chances are PS3 >>>> X-BOX 360.
With Playstation in general you get All the Sports les, All the Action les, All the Adventure les, The best stealth le ever MGS. All the RPG les, EVERYTHING.
With Box you get: Halo, Doom........oh yeah Splinter Cell.
And they're all availbe for the PC.
I'll admit it I don't like the X-BOX, why? Because when the X-BOX first came out I'm like ok I don't care, but too many people ramming it in your face like it was something holy and the ulitmate piece of gaming hardware ever. And all the box boys are a y and just go around running around in circles yelling:
X- BOX HAS BETTER GRAPHICS IT IS BETTE NANANANANNAA.
And about the graphic thing, no company really fully utiliziled it's full CPU graphics proccessor at 100% maybe X-BOX video game graphic designers/programmers are lazy and dont' care about their work, but no game really beat PS2's games (graphic wise) by like a mile, except Doom 3 and Fable and I think Farscape or somehting.
Oh yeah and the best piece of gaming hardware ever is the PS1.
Chances are PS3>360?!?!??! I hope the PS3 will be better than the 360, why the wouldn't I? More compe ion means better innovation. If the PS3 sucked, why would Microsoft make another future Xbox? You think Sony made the PS3 just because and not because they felt the heat to upgrade because of the 360?
Mommy never even bought my systems when I was growing up.....It's a ing game!
Quit asking mommy to buy you one , get a job and buy it yourself.
If you have a job and don't live with yo momma, buy some furniture. Chicks are not impressed with a Xbox.
Milk crates do not = an end table. A couch with bricks as one leg is not art. Washing your clothes in the sink is not old school.
I direct this at guys cause females could care less about a $300 game console.
When guys gets a hard on about a game and not a chick, they have a problem.
And the folks in this thread, they have a problem.
Hmmm, I have a house, funiture, a car, all paid for. Is it bad to be able to afford the new 360? Or should I take up a less expensive hobby like my co-workers and become an alcoholic?, I'm in heaven. So I guess I'm the exception to generalization of people with a problem in this thread, huh?
Well at least Xbox 360 is real instead of just concept right now.
They (microshaft) are already working on hardware concepts for the replacement for Xbox360 that will have shader 5.0 and stuff in 2010-2012. Sony needs to catch up..
Damn, now I know who to come to for all my "insider" info. I'm just waiting for the day when I can no longer tell the difference between my copy of NBA2K and a real NBA telecast. Do you forecast that happening in the next generation. Damn Sony and their promises of "Toy Story-like" graphics, maybe there's a "toy story graphics" switch on the back of my PS2?
You can bet on it because of Moore's law. Till we reach 1 atom sized transistors and gaps the law continues. I think the next consoles will be made with at least 40-50nm processors and memory.
OK that's BS.
I don't care about Sony much but at least I have a working memory.
- Beta was developed in paralel with VHS and something called Video2000. None of them were standards but independent development by 3 different manufacturers (Betamax-SONY, VHS-JVC, Video2000-can't remember who, I think they were German). VHS became a de facto standard because of its sales and not because it was better (actually all experts agree Beta was the better format). And just so that you know VHS is not an open standard, every VHS manufacturer must either buy the mechanism from a JVC approved manufacturer or pay them a fee (it might expire because of patent laws but its how it worked/works).
- Sony does not use SD card but their own memory sticks. Same situation as with Beta when the memory stick came out it was the cheapest and most powerful non volatile memory device. Compact flash was the only one that could compete with storage space vs. price but was way too big for the small compact digital still cameras that were being developed by SONY (Sony was the first to market digital still cameras for the masses - the first models actually recording pics on floppy disks). Other manufacturers decide to develop their own memory devices - and therefore acted exactly like SONY.
- DVD was never fought by SONY. DVD was developed by a consortium of manufacturers/ins utes PHILIPS being probably the strongest contributor to DVD (just as to CD) SONY was an integral part of the consortium and among the first manufacturers of hardware for the DVD standard.
- HD DVD is NOT open but regulated by a bunch of patents so you want to use it: pay them (I personally don't care who the money is going to SONY or some other big corporation - I just know I'm paying). You only get the technology if you pay - just like SONY.
Oh and btw Sony's proposed blue laser disk technology is more future proof than HD DVD, which means that if HD DVD wins we'll have to pay twice (for HD DVD and for the next generation that will come along in a few years and won't be compatible with HD DVD / and I'm not sayinfg that it will be different if SONY wins) so whenever you're in doubt just follow the money. They are all gready bas s with MS leading the pack (They invented the practise of selling unfinshed products and not taking resposability for it - so for me that makes them the leader).
As for the virus on Music CDs: That was one of the most moronic things I've ever heard. You won't get an argument from me on this one.
This cracks me up too. Really, who cares how many games they have? I think most people have a sweet spot of about 10-20 games that are what they play. And the most popular games are the shooters and the sports games. THe Halo franchise kicks anything Sony has as far as shooters go, and you can get all the 2K series and EA series sports games for both consoles.Sony Fanboys say they have more games because of backwards compatability with PS1.
Where I think MS wins is because they have made the 360 a media extender. A lot of people are under-rating that feature, but it's where home entertainment/computing is going - a convergence of the computer and home audio/video. It's why I think MS will win this battle.
Great quote, and the other reason I think HD-DVD will win - it costs marginally more to produce a HD-DVD disc as manufacturers can use the same machining they used to create ordinary DVDs. Sony's new discs are rumored to run $40-50 a pop.so whenever you're in doubt just follow the money.
The big argument from the Sony camp seems to be that they have 50GB dual layer discs.
1) How often are you going to need to rip 50 GB of data?
2) Do you realize how slow that burn is going to be?
We know how the box will look. I am talking about actual, real, physical game play.And didn't sony already confirmed how the PS3 will look like? They've already showed numerous game footage on lots of les.
Right now all they've shown is some cut scenes that are rendered outside of normal game play parameters.
It's very telling that Sony ducked any news about the PS3 to me. I think anyone expecting this console out before next Christmas is kidding themselves.
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