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    Boring = 4 Rings SA210's Avatar
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    Has anyone seen this yet? Video link on upper right hand of this web page.

    http://ktla.trb.com/news/ktla-chino,0,4869700.story


    also another link.
    http://www.katu.com/stories/82976.html



    Updated: 1:14 p.m. ET Feb. 1, 2006

    CHINO, Calif. - A videotape released Tuesday shows a sheriff’s deputy shooting an unarmed Air Force policeman who recently returned from Iraq as he appeared to obey an order to get up off the ground.

    KTLA-TV broadcast a 40-second clip it said came from a Chino resident who videotaped Sunday night’s shooting, which followed a 100 mph car chase.

    Senior Airman Elio Carrion, 21, was listed in good condition at Arrowhead Regional Medical Center in Colton. He was shot three times in the chest, ribs and leg, his father-in-law, Ernesto Paz, told KTLA-TV.

    State and federal investigators are reviewing the case, officials said.
    Carrion was a passenger in a Corvette that crashed following a brief chase, authorities said.

    Amateur photographer Jose Luis Valdez told The Associated Press that he made the video after the car crashed into the wall in front of his home. KTLA aired the videotape early Tuesday, then distributed it later in the day.

    The dark, grainy picture shows Carrion lying on the ground next to the car, talking to a silhouetted officer who is pointing a gun at him. Carrion supports himself on one arm and his face is brightly lit by the officer’s flashlight.

    'Get up'

    Carrion is heard telling the officer he is unarmed and is in the military.At one point, a voice is heard saying several times: “Get up.”
    Carrion says: “I’m gonna get up.” As he rises, at least four shots are fired and Carrion collapses, crying out in pain.
    “Shots fired! Shots fired!” someone shouts.

    In a telephone interview conducted in Spanish, Valdez said after the shooting, Carrion asks the deputy, “Why did you shoot me if you told me to stand up?” That alleged exchange cannot be heard on the video.

    The deputy, whose name was not released, was placed on paid administrative leave, a routine procedure in officer-involved shootings.

    Carrion was not charged with a crime, although the incident remained under investigation, according to sheriff’s spokeswoman Robin Haynal.

    The driver of the Corvette, identified by authorities as Luis Fernando Escobedo, 21, was arrested for investigation of felony evading.

    Carrion and Escobedo had left a party at the home of Carrion’s parents to drive to a store, said the airman’s wife, Mariela.

    A woman who answered the telephone at the Montclair home of Carrion’s parents said they were headed to the hospital and nobody at the residence wanted to talk.

    An Air Force spokesman, Lt. Frank Hartnett, said Carrion is a security officer at Barksdale Air Force Base in Shreveport, La. Carrion joined the Air Force in January 2003 and recently returned from a six-month tour in Iraq, Hartnett said.

    Chino is about 40 miles east of Los Angeles.

    © 2006 The Associated Press.

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    Damn, it looks like the cop was scared and asked him to get up, but panicked when he did.

    Too much adrenaline coarsing through that cop's viens.

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    yes, it was all over CNN yesterday, talking heads, all the usual over-treated saturation

    why didn't the sheriff use a fully automatic weapon on him? sheriff is a wimp.

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    Shot 3 times in the chest and in "good condition"? There must be some kind of little angel on his shoulder.

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    Intentional, I saw the rest of the video yesterday, after the sheriff shoots him after he told him to get up, from the agony, the man was crying and the sheriff was yelling at him to shut the F*** Up!!!

    Didn't know the camera was rolling.

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    Shot 3 times in the chest and in "good condition"? There must be some kind of little angel on his shoulder.
    3 times, one each in shoulder , leg and chest.

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    Intentional, I saw the rest of the video yesterday, after the sheriff shoots him after he told him to get up, from the agony, the man was crying and the sheriff was yelling at him to shut the F*** Up!!!

    Didn't know the camera was rolling.

    what a pig.

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    I can live with it JoeChalupa's Avatar
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    Yeah I saw this.
    The Sheriff was practically standing on top of the young man.

    Another tragic shooting.

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    Let me ask you something. Why is it, that I have this strong feeling, that if no camera caught this, this story would have been that the man tried to attack the officer or became combative and the officer had to use deadly force? And that alot of people would have just labeled the military man as someone who seemed on the right track and defended our country, but took a bad turn somewhere for the worst, and would be serving jailtime. And how would his appeals look down the road?

    This is important. How probable would it be that the story would be that if there was no evidence? I understand the dangers of being a cop and all, my brother is a Detective, but this is sick. Cold blooded.

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    Unfortunately, that's definitely not an improbable scenerio. Given my proclivity for pre-judgement, my su ions would actually have been that somehow the sheriff was not on the up&up, though.

    I think all law enforcement vehicles should have those cameras for instances such as these ... if anything, they make for some amusing Max X or whatever videos.


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    Yea, it just makes me think about how much this might actually happen when there is no camera or witness and people are lead to believe otherwise.

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    Let me ask you something. Why is it, that I have this strong feeling, that if no camera caught this, this story would have been that the man tried to attack the officer or became combative and the officer had to use deadly force? And that alot of people would have just labeled the military man as someone who seemed on the right track and defended our country, but took a bad turn somewhere for the worst, and would be serving jailtime. And how would his appeals look down the road?

    This is important. How probable would it be that the story would be that if there was no evidence? I understand the dangers of being a cop and all, my brother is a Detective, but this is sick. Cold blooded.

    Detectives are a lot more rational than patrol officers.

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    I can live with it JoeChalupa's Avatar
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    Why didn't the officer just tell the man to lay down, spread his arms and legs out and cuff the guy?
    Why ask him to get up then cap the guy?

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    Exactly, the officer Did yell at him to stay down, but then yelled at him to get up. Confusing if your the man on the ground. Then he gets capped cold blooded for obeying orders.

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    Exactly, the officer Did yell at him to stay down, but then yelled at him to get up. Confusing if your the man on the ground. Then he gets capped cold blooded for obeying orders.

    So, if he shot the guy for obeying his command to get up, what would he have done if the airmen had stayed on the ground instead?

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    Don't know. That's even scarier.

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    I wonder if FWD thinks the airmen's rights were violated.

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    No, because the officer only shot the airman at that place, at that time, in that particular manner. The airman's rights weren't absolute to get shot anywhere but at that place, time and manner.

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    Let me ask you something. Why is it, that I have this strong feeling, that if no camera caught this, this story would have been that the man tried to attack the officer or became combative and the officer had to use deadly force? And that alot of people would have just labeled the military man as someone who seemed on the right track and defended our country, but took a bad turn somewhere for the worst, and would be serving jailtime. And how would his appeals look down the road?

    This is important. How probable would it be that the story would be that if there was no evidence? I understand the dangers of being a cop and all, my brother is a Detective, but this is sick. Cold blooded.
    Same could be said about Rambo.

    Condolences to the Marine guy.

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    I'm sure he was a ing terrorist. If he's not...well he might have been, and a few random shootings is nothing compared to our safety.

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    which followed a 100 mph car chase.
    This is another snippet that is tucked away in this story. A lot of returning Iraq troops get busted for doing +100, or close too. Traffic accidents are also sky-high for these guys. The auto Insurance industry probably classifies them in their own risky category.

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    It was his friend driving I think not him?

    Anyways they should of pulled over. Don't piss off the police like that it just makes things worse.

    Also a few Cali cops carry ball ammo instead of jacketed hollow points maybe this is why he lived? 4 shots like that and with a JHP the wound cavities would be huge. He got damn lucky.

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    Carrion was a passenger in a Corvette that crashed following a brief chase, authorities said.
    He wasn't the driver, and he wasn't exactly resisting or trying to evade police. He was face down on the ground and slowly started to get up when the Cop ordered him to. Unless there was something else that wasn't on the tape or none of the witnesses noticed, there was no excuse.

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    Shot 3 times in the chest and in "good condition"? There must be some kind of little angel on his shoulder.
    He must have "Aimed High" and "Crossed into the Blue"

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    Sleeping With The Original Axis of Evil hussker's Avatar
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    By the way...I am a moderate person and believe nothing printed or even videotaped, but...looked like dude was cowering and submissive to me. I think that would give rights for Defenses to shoot David Carr from the Texans!
    Last edited by hussker; 02-04-2006 at 12:33 PM.

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