I know that Rasho has good play on the defensive end has been said so many times it has become relative fact on these boards, but I really question it. Look, when I see Rasho in game situations I do notice the occasional good play, but overall I really dont see what you guys see. Rasho still gives up easy shots in the paint, and he has no lateral movement, I mean come on that's one of the biggest knocks on Rasho--he is so slow. When Rasho leaves the paint to do zone rotations he is such a liability on defense, and I generally feel that he isn't much better in the paint. I suppose my biggest qualm with Rasho is that he has no intensity, how can you be 7 feet tall and get outrebounded by Tashuan Prince? It's not because Prince is just somehow an amazing rebounder, it's because he has hustle.
Why Rasho seems to have no motivation is beyond me, and for that reason above all others I fail to see his contribution on defense. Perhaps it's not qunatifiable, maybe blocks and rebounds just arent a stat that reflects his overall production on the defensive end, but isnt that the staple of a defensive center? Perhaps it is nit picking to expect every player on the spurs to play at an elite level, but frankly I wonder if Chris Mihm wouldnt be a better fit in our system. You Rasho supporters will probably say that he (Mihm) truly sucks at defensem, but i think the beauty of Pop's system is that it doesn't rely on great individual talent, just the quickness and smarts a guys needs to follow make good rotations and challenge every shot. If a guy with some real intensity was here and went through a spurs training camp im sure he would be a much better defender than Rasho.
Alright fire away (sorry angel)
Ok........., first of all Pop isn't gonna make ANY roster changes before the playoffs unless the deal is unbelievably good. Second, Prince gets more rebounds because A. he plays about an average of ten more minutes than Rasho and second, his legendary long arms. I wouldn't be surprised if he nearly matched Rasho's vertical jump.
There will be no deals because the trade deadline has passed.
Can't argue with any of it.
Too late to make a deal now though.
I don't think hes movable though. He was on the market, no one bit.
Barry as well.
Stuck, is the nickname for Rahsho.
I didnt say anything about a Roster change, I was all for waiving Rasho last summer with the Allen Houston rule because I doubt he could bring back any player. I just dont think Rasho is a good defender. As far as Tayshaun's arms, this is just another excuse to me for Rasho's play, did Dennis Rodman have long arms? Its about hustle.
I still think Rasho is much better defender than Nazr. Rasho doesn't miss his rotations often and knows what to do on D and does it. It always appears teams score a lot less in the paint with Rasho in than Nazr. I always advocated starting Rasho because Nazr was always in the wrong place on D and gave up a lot more points/rebounds than he produced. But now that Nazr is picking it up on the offensive end, his D is easier to live with and he deserves to be the starter.
In the end, they need them both to be successful because it lets the Spurs be versatile and use a variety of lineups.
And I'm glad they didn't trade Rasho because Nazr might walk this summer and then the Spurs would be left with Oberto.
I think a hungry athletic kid straight from college would be a better player than Rasho. Just my opinion, I always thought it was the other was around--that teams scored more in the paint with Rasho on the floor.
As far as the Center situation goes. Niether Rasho nor Nazr are that great. I personally think Nazr is a little bit better suited for the starting spot on this team.
I still think DRob could come out of retirement and be a great backup (heck maybe even starting) Center for the Spurs.
I don't know the stats on it, but I think the Spurs get destroyed in the paint normally when Nazr sees a lot of time.
Even last night the Suns had 56 in the paint with Nazr logging major minutes. (I realize it doesn't matter because he came up big on O though).
Is it true that when SA signed Rasho, Brad Miller was also available?
I think Rasho's D is a little overrated on these boards because even though he's a good defender, he's a horrible defensive rebounder so that negates most of his effectiveness.
When Rasho was in the lineup in as a starter in 2004, 2005 and 2006 the Spurs always had among the best FG% defenses in the league. The Spurs FG% defense was pretty consistant with Rasho playing beside a healthy Tim, beside a hobbled Tim and for a few games without Tim.
In the last 7 games with Nazr starting the biggest concern beyond Tim's health is the skyrocketing FG% of the Spurs opponents. I will acknowledge that Nazr may need more time to adjust to playing defense more with the starters, and that his offensive and rebounding production are a plus. But it is a given that the Spurs play better defense with Rasho on the floor.
Yes but if they signed Miller then I think they would have had trouble making room for Manu/Tony's new contracts.
some spurs fans think Rasho is a good defender but no nba analysts nor nba gms or coaches think so. Even in this era of bad nba centers Rasho's name has never ever come up for all nba defense and he's never received a single vote from a coach for the all defensive team. He's an average defender at best playing on a great defensive team.
I don't think anyone here thinks that he's All-Defensive Team quality. Just that he's a much better system defender than Nazr has been.
I agree.
I suppose that is a valid point, there has been a jump in opposin field goal percentage of late, not sure if that is just playing the suns twice lately or what but its worhty of note
I think Nazr is better offensively than Rasho.
Rasho is a better defender, but I dont think that he's a "much better" defender. If Rasho could rebound he would be much better. But he cant. And a 7 footer that cant rebound really bugs me.
Or maybe its Duncans foot. I think if Rasho had remained starter, opp. fg% would still have gone up.
It seems like Timmy takes a lot of rebounds when he is on the floor.
Does anyone know how many rebounds Rasho and Nazr averagae when they play with Tim?
It basically comes down to a choice between rebounding or defense. I say bench Manu and play a starting line up of Parker, Bowen, Duncan, Nazr and Rasho.
some people here think Rasho's D>Timmy's D. If i wasn't so lazy i'd go find the thread but a while back someone asked to rate each players' D 1-10 and alot of people were giving Rasho a 9s and 10sSad thing is they were giving Tim 6s and 7s!
It basically comes down to a choice between rebounding or defense. I say bench Manu and play a starting line up of Parker, Bowen, Duncan, Nazr and Rasho.
That's too many big guys.
As long as Rasho gets and makes good use of his minutes (as he normally does), it is immaterial to me whether he starts or not.
I felt the same way when Gino got benched- although naturally I was disappointed for both him and Sho.
And I am very pleased that Nazr is coming into his own. That makes our team all the better.
For Rasho :
- with Tim : 8.2 reb/40min
- without Tim : 7.3 reb/40min
For Nazr :
- with Tim : 11.8 reb/40min
- without Tim : 13.6 reb/40min
For Duncan :
- with Rasho : 13.5 reb/40min
- with Nazr : 12.7 reb/40min
Thanks for the stats Bruno.
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