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Rasheed isn't better than Timmy
Let me ask u guys this, and please be honest. WHos starting 5 do u guys think is better, Pistons or Spurs? I think the pistons starting 5 is wayy better then the spurs. You could have made an argument that each player on our starting 5 could have been an allstar.
My opinion
Billups < Parker
Rip < Manu, this one was a close one
Tay < Bowen
Sheed > Duncan
Ben << Mohamed
FYI which ever way the arrow is pointing is the better play. You guys might think different but thats what i think.
Rasheed isn't better than Timmy
Well for 1, you need to learn how to use greater than and less than signs.
or if it isn't a mistake, then Nazr is way greater than Ben in your opinion.
and detroit >>>>>> SPURS!
Manu > Rip
Bowen = Prince
Finals scenario
billups will be able to score against Tony until they move bowen on him
Rip ....well bowen will move into his private space and lock him down
Tay ...hope he's good in the finals
Sheed...plays whenever he wants to and i think he cancels out with Duncan "if" he's up to the task of playing and making his shots
Ben .. will rebound and duke it out for every ball against mohammed
You think Nazr is twice as good as Big Ben?
Anyways, I would give the edge to the Pistons. Billups is probably the best all around point guard in the league, so there's no shame in giving him an edge over Tony, although I think the gap between the two is much smaller than last year.
I'd say Ginobili vs. Hamilton is a very slight edge towards Rip, because he's stepped up his game this year and he's a lot more durable. Before the Manu Mafia comes after me let me say that I'm making this on the basis that Manu's health is a great big question mark right now. If you can promise me that he'll be healthy by the finals I'll change my vote.
Bowen is better than Prince. Overall Bowen plays a smaller role on that team than Prince, but he does everything that is asked of him perfectly. Play D, hit open threes in the corner and he does it. Prince kind of disapeared in the finals last year, too.
Duncan, even gimped up is better than Rasheed, and most of the edge I give him is entirely mental. Rasheed has calmed down alot in Detroit but he still gets too emotional, and in a situation like the finals where momentum swings are so important they can cost you a game. And in a seven game series one game can be too many.
Ben is better than Nazr. He's a better rebounder and light years ahead as a one on one defender.
So it's close, but I give the Pistons five a slight advantage. With that said I think the depth and versatility of the bench of the Spurs more than balances it.
Tay's definitely got to step it up; looks like you've got Bowen covering Billups AND Rip, so I assume Tayshaun will be doubled by Parker & Ginobili. Tay better start taking lessons from Sheed on that high, high release he's got; if he gets that down he can just shoot over the double all series long.
Pistons have a better starting 5 for sure!!But the depth of the spurs is what will win us the le..And yes, I think he did misitakenly reverse all of his ><
yeah, remember in the finals when they switched bowen on billups he shut him down and blocked his final shot
I think this line up works better against the pistons:
Manu-1
Finley-2
Bowen-3
TD-4
Nazr-5
- Tony just has nobody to cover against the starting 5 of detroit...Tony should only play spotted minutes
Rip is better than Manu THIS YEAR only because Manu has not been 100% most of the season. I think Manu is the better all around player, but if we are evaluating only on this season, I would give the edge to Rip as well. A healthy Manu Ginobili is one of the best shooting guards in the league, right behind Kobe, Dwyane Wade, and Vince Carter.
Tim Duncan definitely has the edge over Rasheed, but Rasheed seems to get up against Timmy and usually plays him well. It's one of the better match-ups both ways to watch as a basketball fan. Tim has the edge. When Rasheed outplays Tim, the Pistons have a great chance to win the game.
The match-up between Bruce Bowen and Tayshaun Prince is a toss-up. It depends how you view the two players. The better overall talent might be Prince. The smarter, tougher player is Bowen. On any given night, the match-up could go either way.
As a collective unit, I would say the Detroit Pistons have the better starting five. If we were to take into account the benches, I think the Spurs have a more balanced and complete team.
I actually think Denver and Sacramento have really great starting fives as well, especially with the additions of Ruben Patterson and Ron Artest to their respective teams. In fact, I think Denver's starting five is just as good as Detroit's except for outside shooting.
Tony last year was not as good as chauncy, but this year I think its pretty close. Tony has become the teams leading scorer.
I would say
tony = chauncy (tony's better fg%, chauncey clutch, assists and 3pt)
manu (healthy) = rip (manu better d and slashing, rip shooter)
bowen = prince (bowen better d and 3's, prince scorer)
duncan (healthy) ~> Sheed (sheed can neutralize tim at times, though)
nazr << ben (ouch)
sa bench >> det bench (horry, barry, beno, finley, nve, rasho vs dice and a defensive pg?!)
Pretty even, very close. Prince does not deserve to be an All Star, and Manu healthy would have been an All-Star possibly.
Alot depends on how the Pistons try to stop Tony. If they focus the D on stopping his penetration, our outside shooters will have a field day, Tony included.
I think this year our offense is much better than before. Bottom line; if Tony and Manu can get to the hoop, we win.
If Detroit stops Tony and Manu's penetration, but we make open outside shots, we still win.
Detroit is going to have to stop the penetration and we are going to have to clang some shots.
I will admit that Detroit won games last year by generating turnovers, so If we turn a bunch over, or (like this year playing against them ) we allow a bunch of offensive rebounds, then Detroit will win.
Our center position is our weak link(considering TD is technically a forward), although it is still stronger than most teams. Given that, Detroit wins hands down when it comes to starting 5.
I guess you could argue that TD > Sheed + Ben , and Nazr is just gravy.
Dude, you want to spot Detroit our leading scorer? I recognize that Billups can muscle his way to the rim against tony, but tony is flying past him (and other pg's) so easly this year that I think it is a wash at best for detroit, assuming their d can stop Tony.
If not, I'll take Tony's 55% shooting against Billups 42% any day...
Really Pistonfans, this is beneath you.
Leave this kind of ish to the Mavfans.
does this help for u dumasses
billups better then tony
rip better then Manu
Tay better then bowen
Duncan better then sheed
ben way better then mohamed.
Do you really think that Detroit will allow TP to rim like the lakers did last night??They much to good defensivle and that is where the majority of tony's points are made. I haven't had the cahnce to look up tp's stats from the last 2 games between det. and SA but I bet he didn't shoot very well? But then again I might be wrong, when you lose by 15 everytime its usually not 1 players fault!!
Our bench is way better than Piston's bench.
Pop owns Flippy
Individual breakdowns don't mean . This is a team game.
Look at the '04 finals. Everyone said...
Payton > Billups
Kobe > Rip
George = Prince
Malone > Sheed
Shaq > Ben
How'd that work out?
Whichever team gets on a roll at the time will win. Simple as that. These teams are too even.
Last edited by FreshPrince22; 03-31-2006 at 07:04 PM.
Fortunatly teams have more than just 5 player on them. There is little doubt the Spurs wouldn't have won the series with the Pistons last year had it not been for the Bench play of Brent Barry and the heroics of Remarkable Shot Rob.
Give me a ing break, figure out how to use the signs right before you start talking and making yourself look like a ing re ....
Tony Parker
Dec 25 @ Detroit: 7-17, 5-6 FT's, 4 Assists, 3 Steals, 19 points
Jan 12 vs SA: 7-14, 2-5 FT's, 17 points
I'd say he did fine against the Pistons...he still managed to score around his season average. But if some Spurs fans still think he deserves "Spot" minutes and doesn't match up well against anyone agains the Pistons well....the numbers speak for themselves.
I think that you have shown in this thread that you are the dumbass.
Also in the other thread called: Why Will The Spurs Win It?
let's take a look...
I'm not surprised that you don't post here too much, maybe it's because you don't watch basketball too much.Some of you guys prolly know me and know that im a pistons fan. I dont post here too much, but i post from time to time. Im here to ask you guys why do you think the spurs will win it this year? Looking at the pistons and spurs from an outside view, everything points to the pistons winning it. Now no trash talking, just say why u think the spurs will win it. Remember the pistons are up 2-0 in the season series and won both games pretty easily.
As for me i think the pistons will win it because we beat u guys twice, we got an offensive minded coach, we can turn the defense on any time we want to, and the way the pistons have been playing all year.
OK, the Pistons beat us in the regular season, but that doesn't mean .
Oh yeah, this one is classic: "the way the pistons have been playing all year."
Referring back to the fact that you don't watch basketball too much, have you noticed that the Pistons have been sucking lately? What does the 1st half of the season mean???
Nothing.
oh yeah, learn how to use greater than and less than signs.
Have a nice day
Last edited by ALVAREZ6; 03-31-2006 at 08:30 PM.
Well said
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