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Spurs pretty much already own the tie breaker
If we wind up tied with DAL, which of the below is correct?
This is odd, but for some reason it seems like they changed it to Division after Head-to-Head, but NBA.com and ESPN.com don't reflect that. If the Spurs were to lose to DAL, it would be better if the tiebreaker was decided by conference.
ESPN: The Link
Two-Team Tiebreaker
1. Better record in head-to-head games
2. Higher winning percentage in conference games
3. Higher winning percentage within division (if teams are in the same division)
4. Higher winning percentage against playoff teams in own conference
5. Higher winning percentage against playoff teams in opposite conference
6. Higher point differential between points scored and points allowed
NBA.com: The LinkTIEBREAKER BASIS:
(-) Tie breaker not needed (better overall winning percentage)
(1) Head-to-head
(2) Conference Record
(3) vs. Teams ultimately at-or-over .500
(4) Head-to-Head ulative point differential
(5) vCoin toss (tied teams listed alphabetically above)
x-Clinched Playoff Berth | o-Eliminated from Playoffs contention | e-Clinched Eastern Conference | a-Clinched Atlantic Division |
c-Clinched Central Division | w-Clinched Western Conference | m-Clinched Midwest Division |
p-Clinched Pacific Division|
Division winners are awarded top two seeds, but homecourt advantage in every series is determined by record
*-Games remaining vs.Teams Over/Under .500
Spursdata: The Link
Two-Team Tie-breaker
1. Better record in head-to-head games
2. Higher winning percentage within division (only if teams are in the same division)
3. Higher winning percentage in conference games
4. Higher winning percentage against playoff teams in own conference
5. Higher winning percentage against playoff teams in opposite conference
6. Higher point differential between points scored and points allowed
Spurs pretty much already own the tie breaker
This one is correct.
Spursdata: The Link
Two-Team Tie-breaker
1. Better record in head-to-head games
2. Higher winning percentage within division (only if teams are in the same division)
3. Higher winning percentage in conference games
4. Higher winning percentage against playoff teams in own conference
5. Higher winning percentage against playoff teams in opposite conference
6. Higher point differential between points scored and points allowed
This is taken from the SA express notebook.
Not such an edge:
If the Spurs lose to Dallas on Friday, they wouldn't enjoy as large a tiebreaker advantage as thought.
When the NBA released its standings last week, it listed conference record as the second divisional tiebreaker behind head-to-head record. A league spokesman, however, says that was an error: The correct second tiebreaker is division record.
The change is important because the Spurs have a 37-9 conference record while the Mavericks are 33-12. If the Spurs lose to Dallas on Friday, the season series would be split and the Mavericks would have a 12-3 division record to the Spurs' 11-3.
The Spurs have two division games remaining after Friday: Sunday against Memphis; and a trip to Houston on April 19. Dallas has one: Saturday against New Orleans.
The NBA changed its tiebreakers after Charlotte joined the league before the 2003-04 season, but the switch was not highly publicized. In previous years, conference record was the second tiebreaker regardless of whether the teams were in the same division.
The Spurs and Mavericks finished the 2002-03 season with 60-22 records. Dallas had a better Midwest Division record, but the Spurs received the conference's top seed because they had the better conference mark.
The league itself has had trouble keeping track of the change. For part of the season, the NBA Web site listed the old tiebreaker rules.
Of course, none of this will be relevant should the Spurs win Friday — they then would have a 3-1 advantage in the teams' four meetings — or if they finish ahead of Dallas in the standings.
Won't need it.
Probably won't need it due to the Mavs tough remaining schedule, but it is DIVISION and not conference. It was changed a couple years ago. You'd think ESPN and NBA.com would have had enough time to update their site...
The Mavs will have a chance if they win Friday, with just 1 div game left (NOK) while the Spurs have 2. They'd still need the Spurs to lose to Mem or Hou though, otherwise it would go to the 3rd tie breaker which the Spurs have. It's not likely that the Spurs lose more than the Mavs from here on out, and it's not likely that the Spurs lose to Mem or Hou. So really, it doesn't matter. It's just weird that the NBA's site has had it wrong
Wow, I had forgot that the conf record gave the Spurs homecourt in '02-03. Too bad it wasn't changed to division record 1 year sooner...Mavs might've been able to pull off a trip to the NBA Finals. Well, not with Dirk out... wouldn't have mattered...
no, they probably would have lost in the second round to the Lakers. and Dirk didn't get hurt until game 3 in the Spurs series.
Late in Game 3, with the Spurs holding a big lead (+15 when Dirk left the floor) and pushing their series lead to 2-1.
If the Mavs beat the Spurs, then their respective division record would be:
Spurs 11-3
Mavs 12-3
The remaining division games for each are:
Spurs: v. Memphis and @ Houston (last game of the season)
Mavs: v. New Orleans/Oklahoma City
If both teams win out their division games and finish with the same overall record, it goes to the third tie-breaker, which is conference wins, and the Spurs have a comfortable lead over the Mavs.
Mavs probably won't catch the Spurs anyway, but the only way Mavs catch a break without getting the best overall record is to tie the Spurs' overall record, beat the Spurs tomorrow night, and hope the Spurs lose to Memphis or Houston while beating the Hornets themselves. Entirely possible, but I'd still put my money on the Spurs staying at the no. 1 seed.
Probably unlikely given the remaining schedule the Mavs have, but it's nice to finally know how the format is set up.
Had it been the new rules, Spurs would not have rested their starters for the final game against the Mavs, and the records would not have been tied. Much as this year; The Spurs will wrap up the conference sometime early next week, and start coasting.
Well, actually, the Spurs were one game ahead at the 81 game mark, and Pop deactivated Tim and Jack for game 82, knowing it was meaningless and that we had the tiebreaker in hand. If it had been division winner as tiebreaker, Pop would have played Tim and Jack, and we would have finished one game ahead by winning game #82.Wow, I had forgot that the conf record gave the Spurs homecourt in '02-03. Too bad it wasn't changed to division record 1 year sooner...Mavs might've been able to pull off a trip to the NBA Finals. Well, not with Dirk out... wouldn't have mattered...
^^^ exactly right
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