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Tim Duncan has been the best power forward in the history of the league for a few years now. Nothing new.
An article claims that Duncan is the greatest defensive power forward ever!!
http://82games.com/pelton17.htmIt's an open secret that Duncan has lost a step this season because of the plantar fasciitis he's battled all season, making him less effective at both ends. He's struggling a bit coming out to defend pick-and-rolls. Still, Duncan is arguably the greatest defensive power forward in the history of the NBA, so he had room to come down a bit and still be the best player at his position.
Tim Duncan has been the best power forward in the history of the league for a few years now. Nothing new.
Yeah, but he doesn't think that Bruce should be DPOY. For that he must die!!!
I think if he can win a le this year, there's a strong argument he's the greatest forward of all time period. Yes, that would include Bird.
Reasons being, 1. He's matched or bettered the accomplishments of any other forward, and 2. he's the only forward who you could build both your offense and your defense around and win championships.
He has a dislike for Bowen. He's a writer for the Sonics.
Oh, well then no need to kill him. He's already serving out a fate worse than death.
Tim is mosdef the greatest power forward ever, if you look at his game and the fact that the Spurs have won three les and the only real common element between the three les is Tim and Pop, it shows that TD makes the rest of the team stronger. Although I don't think he will win Finals MVP, unless he has just been sleepin on us all season and pulls out the 35 and 15 a game in the finals. Most likely it will be Tony.
Ray Allen probably called him and told him not to pick Bowen.
Realistically, I can't see Tony winning MVP in a Finals matchup against the Pistons. Billups is just too good, and Tony will have to play better defense and expend more energy than he has been this year to help contain him or Rip.
The Spurs chances against Detroit will once again rise or fall with TD.
You have a point, but I think Tony will step it up in the POs. Tim too for that matter. Tony's played with a lot of confidence this year and has been consistent. Hopefully no more playoff blues for the Frenchman. And while I'd love to play a rematch with Detroit, there are a lot of teams in the East that will make some noise. I see a 2nd round matchup with Detroit and Washington that can go 6 games either way. Against anyone other than Detroit, Tony will have a really good series.
Realistically, I can't see Tony winning MVP in a Finals matchup against the Pistons. Billups is just too good, and Tony will have to play better defense and expend more energy than he has been this year to help contain him or Rip.
The Spurs chances against Detroit will once again rise or fall with TD.
6 games is feasible, I guess, IF the Pistons falter, but either way? As in the Wizards having a shot at winning it? Um, no. .500 teams don't beat 65-win teams.
You guys are assuming they get to the finals again.
Duncan isn't the greatest power forward ever...David Robinson is the greatest power forward ever. Duncan is like the fifth or sixth best center of all time. And the only reason anyone ever called Robinson a center was because he was 7'2". The only reason anyone ever called Duncan a PF was because Robinson was already the center listed on the Spurs roster. There's a lot of irony in that. If you look at their games, Duncan fits the traditional model of center better; back to the basket player with great foot work and highly-refined post skills. Robinson on the other hand fits the traditional model of a power forward better: he was quicker, faster, much more athletic, faced-up to the basket and shot mainly jumpers. Statistically speaking, Duncan looks more like a young Zo, who is clearly a center, than anyone else. On the other hand, analysts compare a player like Amare, who is clearly a power forward, to a young David Robinson.
Based on that appraisal, Duncan can only be said to be in the top ten defensive centers, since Hakeem, Wilt, Kareem, Russell, Mutombo, Ewing maybe even Ben Wallace, Zo, and Nate Thurmond, are better defenders than Duncan. But also based on that appraisal, Robinson is far and away the best defensive power forward of all-time. So take your pick.
How can a writer make such a bad analyse ?San Antonio shuts down both shooting guards and small forwards defensively (opponents have a total PER of 12.5 at both positions), and while that's partially scheme and partially the Spurs big men, it's largely Bowen.
Bruce defends 90% of the time on the best opposite SG/SF.
So with Bruce the best opposite swingman isn't better than the other.
While I can respect your argument, the fact remains that when they were both on the floor, DRob was the guy guarding the Shaqs and Ewings and Mournings.
I dont know about Washington Miami will be getting Zo back for the playoffs and dont forget JKidd and Vinsanity
True but isnt David in the NBAs top 50 so his greatness is recognized
I'm not talking about greatness, I was addressing the argument that DRob was really a power forward and TD is really a center. When they were both on the court, Robinson was clearly the center on defense.
I think Duncan could be accurately characterized as a center or a forward. Defensively he's probably more of a center, but he has just as much offensive flexibility and range as great power forwards like McHale and Malone. He's definitely more similar to Malone than a Wilt or a Shaq on the offensive end.
Wilt Kareem and Ewing?
And why hakeem is a center? he can shoot outside he played faceing up basketball so why you consider him as a center?
I think defensively Duncan was as good as any of the centers listed above. the most impresseive thing I find about duncan is his ability to be so effective on not only the offensive and defensive sides of the ball but also to be able to play defense against a variety of players.
Tim's anchoring of the Spurs defense is probably worth as much as everything else he does for the Spurs. It's great to see him in the last couple games able/willing to turn up the defensive effort.
The problem with making a distinction between the pf and c positions, is when you have a player who combines the skills associated with them, we get confused.
Pf: good post skills, good rebounder, with outside game. Fast enough to guard on the perimeter, big enough to block shots.
c: Blocker, rebounder, post skills. Doesn't need to have much of an outside game.
Thing is, there are guys that are thought of as "centers" who had outside games (Sabonis for instance).
David was more like a SF, really; he could use quickness to slash, and only later developed much of an outside shot. His post skills were (again) more from athletic ability and quickness than real footwork.
Today we are seeing the tall guys with alot of success having guard skills too. I'm not sure we can compare Duncan to guys from the past, especially because the skill sets of today are different. He has to guard TALL guys who act like sf's sometimes (Dirk), and then other guys who act like pf's (Sheed), then guard centers from time to time (shaq)...
Um, see the thread le. We are talking about DEFENSE. 90% of the things you are talking about when you guys are comparing David vs. Tim have to do with offense.
Once again, when they were both on the court, David was the center on defense.
He's the best player of his generation, hands down. I think Karl Malone, Bob Pet , Elvin Hayes, and Kevin McHale may have something to say about his all-time spot. I wouldn't know how to rank those 5 players.
Duncan is a center.
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