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Voted Manu but I would have picked Barry for the game winner.
When games are close in the fourth quarter, who do you give the ball to if Duncan is being double/triple teamed? I think this is a key decision for the Spurs. Either Manu or Tony is going to have to step it out and become a game in, game out offensive force. Second option by committee rarely works in the NBA.
Tony Parker
Lightning quick, can get to the basket at will and finish at the rim. Streaky shooter, but seems to hit shots when it matters. Can get out on the break and create for himself and others.
Manu Ginobili
Very crafty around the basket. He figures out angles to drive and can make a circus shot finish look routine. A hot-cold type of shooter, it's hard to know how he'll shoot from game to game. Olympic Gold has made him a star.
Voted Manu but I would have picked Barry for the game winner.
4th quarter? Tim locked down? Isn't that what we got Barry for in the first place?
This for me is an important factor, Parker has not shown to be clutch as yet, manu on the other hand always seems to be having a huge 4th quarter, and that buzzer beeter at the olympics rivaled....
0.4
I choose Parker.
Parker has shown he can deliver at times in big moments and can create a higher % shot for himself than Manu can. If I need a score, and Timmy isn't a viable option due to foul trouble or he is facing incredible defensive pressure, I want the ball in Tony's hands to create something for himself, or somebody else. Getting into the lane at important moments is the way to go, and nobody on the Spurs does it better than Parker.
I also chose Parker.
Even though I think we'll see both of them in this role. The reason I chose Parker, I see him wanting the ball in his hands. He wants that high pick and roll and to either drive, shoot or pass it. He's the second leading scorer on the team.
sheeyyyit. will Tony even be on the floor? Manu, no question. Barry will always be covered, unless the other team has an idiot for a coach....and the lane will no doubt be clogged....
who takes the final Outside shot....it's manu right now....i want devin to be that type of player as well...
Manu is by far the more clutch. He is the guy whose hands I'd want the ball in for the last seconds. Although Tony averages more points per game, Pop has shown a tendency to trust Manu more for end of game possessions.
I'd pick Tony for qaurters 1-3 but you HAVE to choose Manu for the 4th. He IS Mr. 4th Quarter.
Parker. He's better able to get a shot off, half the time Duncan and Manu when they are pressured with the shot clock going down dump the ball to Parker who can at least get a decent look. Also Manu is better than Parker at lurking and getting put backs off missed shots.
Sure, he is a great 4th quarter player. But thats including all aspects of the game. If I want a clutch steal, rebound or loose ball get then Manu is the man. But when it comes to making the clutch shots for the Spurs, I have seen Tony make more and trust him more.He IS Mr. 4th Quarter.
I would give the ball to Manu. Not only can he get the clutch steal, rebound, block, but he will do anything to get to the basket and I remember a couple of games last season where he took over the game when we were down and led us to a win.
Your last reason is why I found it hard to choose Manu, but I have more confidence in him to knock down the big shot than I do in Tony. In a last second option, there might not be an opportunity for a tip so I have to go with the guy who I think is going to hit the first shot. Tony's made some clutch baskets for this team, but if the defense closes off the lane I'm not all that confident that he'll be able to step back and drill the jumper in someone's face as time expires. With Manu on the other hand, I believe he can (and often will) hit the shot, even if he's off balance with no apparent view of the basket (in fact, he might be more likely to hit then than if he's wide open). At the same time, if there is a little more time left on the clock, I have greater faith in Manu to hit an open teammate for the winning basket.
I think Tony is and will continue to be our second best player, but Manu's more valuable in the clutch.
I think both are the second option. Isn't that better than having just one person be designated for that role? Wouldn't that keep opponents guessing? This can also make the offense more dynamic depending on match ups and what defender is rotated on the offensive player. Hopefully both TP and Gino can shoot at least a decent percentage from the floor to make either of them doubly dangerous.
I think you go with the guy that is hot that night
both have been cold or hot
Couple of other reasons why I chose Parker. But again, I think they both will be in that position.
That's why he stayed in S.A this summer. That's why I like Tony so much, every yr he's trying to correct his game to where defenses can't stop him. That's one of the reasons he created that floater in the lane. He's been working on his outside shooting and driving and finishing with his left hand. I'm sorry but in the half court, Tony finds his teammates more often. Manu is better on the fast break.Tony's made some clutch baskets for this team, but if the defense closes off the lane I'm not all that confident that he'll be able to step back and drill the jumper in someone's face as time expires. With Manu on the other hand, I believe he can (and often will) hit the shot, even if he's off balance with no apparent view of the basket (in fact, he might be more likely to hit then than if he's wide open ). At the same time, if there is a little more time left on the clock, I have greater faith in Manu to hit an open teammate for the winning basket.
If Manu has been feeling it for much of the game I wouldn't mind going to him.
But in general I would take Parker to go for a late game shot or basket. He has more of a speed advantage at his position than Manu has at his. Manu usually makes a difference with his rebounds, hustle, steals and drive/passes. So if Parker can concentrate on scoring when the team needs it consistently, I would feel comfortable that they can both make key plays in the 4th.
I just think Parker has more of a scorers mentality.
This would be as a rule though, there will be exceptions. If Manu has been piping hot the whole game, then go to him by all means. Same with Barry, he has some history with hitting clutch shot in the regular season.
All this should only really apply if Tim isn't able to get a decent shot.. ie: Not the catch turn and shoot 20 footer on the buzzer he always seems to take when his number gets called for a late game play. It never works. (0.4 was different)
I too am very glad TP's been working hard on his game this summer, but I'll wait to judge his improvements until I see them on the court. Don't take that the wrong way -- I think Tony's already shown clutch ability, but I stick by my assertion that Manu's shown more in that regard.
As for finding his teammates in the half court, I agree that Tony usually does a good job and at times an outstanding one. However, I think Manu is better at making the spectacular pass, and I'm not referring to passes between Kobe's legs on the break. I think Manu has an uncanny ability to find openings and hit his teammates for easy buckets and that can be a valuable ability when you need a bucket late in the game.
The question got changed from who is the second option to "who do you want to take the last shot?" IMHO there is a difference.
If we're down to the last shot in the closing seconds, you put your best offense players on the court. I want these guys on the court: Tim, Manu, Parker, Barry, Brown.
Then let the opponent decide if can afford to double Duncan. Whoever is open should take the shot.
There is a difference, but timvp clarified the question in his first sentence with "When games are close in the fourth quarter, who do you give the ball to if Duncan is being double/triple teamed?"
That's why people are talking about who they'd go to in the clutch, although the fourth quarter certainly includes more than the last shot.
I voted for manu because parker is younger and more liable to choke (even though he is my boy5) but manu is crafty and will find ways to score. buh lets not forget the game winning floater parker had over nowitski at the buzzer last season. dude got a lil clutch in him
well i think if you think back to the playoffs tp was very much the better player, if you saw what he did to mephis.......
Tony Parker everyday of the week. You guys have no idea how good he is going to be this season. It will be clear that he's the best point guard in the league when the season is over.
HWood Kobe, are you feeling ok??? The best pg in the league by the end??? And from a Laker fan no less. I'll be happy if he cracks the top 5 this year.
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