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    Well, here is a column from today's E-N from one of our most distinguished
    professors (associate of political science actually) at UTSA. I wonder why he wants to stay here in the United
    States since it is such a terrible place. I would think he would feel quite
    at home since his native Libya is run by a dictator. And just think he
    is the one teaching our young people in a totally impartial way, I'm sure.


    Mansour El-Kikhia: Failings of Bush have world living in fear

    Web Posted: 05/12/2006 12:00 AM CDT

    San Antonio Express-News

    A colleague returned from Paris last week and was struck by the militarization of Europe.

    Fear of terrorism has put a soldier on every platform at rail stations and every gate at airports. And, as usual, the individuals pulled out of a line or stopped for random searches are people of color or Arabs. One can see the silent anger on their faces. They can't protest because new laws give security services the right to deny any foreigner, particularly "undesirable foreigners," entry or to deport them on the spot. Indeed, in many instances, those held are verbally or physically provoked with the full knowledge they can't respond.

    The same is true at U.S. points of entry and airports. Travelers must look somber and mustn't joke about anything remotely connected to security. Travel by air necessitates the removal of belts, shoes, handbags, wallets, jewelry, loose change, keys and anything else with metal to ensure it doesn't set off an alarm.

    I suppose this is an inconvenience people have to put up with, in spite of the fact that this "war on terror" nonsense has been blown out of proportion. Americans and Europeans fail to see that their civil liberties and freedoms have been slowly eroding, and nothing does this better than being in a constant state of fabricated fear.

    Those who criticize the president are right on the mark. This has been one of America's most ignorant, arrogant and foolish administrations. Finally, Americans are waking up to the fact that their country is being run incompetently. But, unfortunately, the deed is done and the union has never been in more dire straits.

    Every time I turn on the television or read a paper and see the state of world affairs, the catastrophe in Iraq, the death, the mayhem and destruction, I feel that Bush and his gang need to be brought up on some sort of charges before an international court. What they have done to humanity is nothing short of criminal. The world is lucky this cabal wasn't in power during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

    But let's forget the world and look only at America.

    The first catastrophe is the undermining of the checks and balances that have kept the political system sound for so many years. No one should blame the president for this but Congress, which has turned into the most effete, rotten and repugnant of political bodies. It reminds me of Moammar Gadhafi's or Saddam Hussein's "parliaments," where lots of hot air is generated, but no one has the courage to say the truth to protect the people. On the contrary, it passes laws that rob them of their freedoms, liberty and wealth.

    But perhaps the most dangerous of the emerging changes is the militarization of the American state. The secretary of defense and Pentagon have succeeded in neutralizing other agencies they see as compe ors. Where are the State Department and Condoleezza Rice now, and who takes American diplomats seriously anymore?

    The CIA has been handed to the Pentagon. Its new proposed director is a three-star general who no longer reports to the president but to his superior in the Department of Homeland Security. What a coup to eliminate the CIA by first blaming the agency for providing erroneous information on Iraq after rejecting its conclusion that Iraq didn't have weapons of mass destruction.

    Where are the National Security Council and adviser who supposedly has the ear of the president? Has anyone heard a peep from them lately?

    The Supreme Court has emerged into a giant rubber-stamp to validate decisions made by the executive branch. The president needn't be afraid to bring any domestic spying, wiretapping or cons utional abuses cases before the body.

    However, the most dismal showing is reserved for the media. By their silence, cowardice and unwillingness to take this administration to task, they are promoting this environment of fear and the militarization of America.

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    Online at: http://www.mysanantonio.com/opinion/....20c45993.html

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    I guess it is Bush's fault that Europe has taken precautions against the
    terrorist. If Bush is so inept, dumb, stupid, crooked, deceitful, have I
    left anything out, how in the world does he manage to get all these
    leaders of the world to do these things? Now I know Clinton is suppose
    to have been the most honorable, honest, capable, feeling President of
    all times, but he couldn't get do dilly squat done about people blowing
    things up.

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    Agree this article is twisted into bull .

    Make islamic blow up terroists look like hero's against the evil bush..

    This guy is Al Queda friendly just like Dan and Boutons.

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    I have to say, I don't disagree with Mansour El-Kikhia's article at all. The war on Terror has been blown out of proportion, domestically. What happened to those 5000 Al-Queda sympathizers who were supposed to strap bombs to them at the beginning of the war? Maybe the real reason we haven't had any more terra attacks domestically since 911 is because the Bush administration hyped the level of the threat in the first place? Even the anthrax panic a couple years ago appear to be the work of a disgruntled Bush supporter who wanted to hype the level of terra threat.

    So, 5 years later and people are finally catching on about just how needlessly this war has been hyped by the administration, but according to Bush apologist like Vashner anyone who writes about this obvious fact is a Al-Queda sympathizer. Hitler would have been proud.

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    I have to say, I don't disagree with Mansour El-Kikhia's article at all. The war on Terror has been blown out of proportion, domestically. What happened to those 5000 Al-Queda sympathizers who were supposed to strap bombs to them at the beginning of the war?
    11 Lashkar-e-Taeba terrorists arrested in US
    7 terrorists arrested in U.S.
    Terrorists Arrested In Miami
    Four terrorists arrested in terror conspiracy
    Suspected terrorists arrested in Ohio

    That's just the first few links in a google search for "terrorists arrested in US."
    Maybe the real reason we haven't had any more terra attacks domestically since 911 is because the Bush administration hyped the level of the threat in the first place?
    Maybe the real reason is that, in spite of leftist efforts to thwart the administration, the NSA programs are working.

    Even the anthrax panic a couple years ago appear to be the work of a disgruntled Bush supporter who wanted to hype the level of terra threat.
    Care to elaborate?

    So, 5 years later and people are finally catching on about just how needlessly this war has been hyped by the administration, but according to Bush apologist like Vashner anyone who writes about this obvious fact is a Al-Queda sympathizer. Hitler would have been proud.
    You're an al Qaeda sympathizer.

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    I have to say, I don't disagree with Mansour El-Kikhia's article at all. The war on Terror has been blown out of proportion, domestically. What happened to those 5000 Al-Queda sympathizers who were supposed to strap bombs to them at the beginning of the war? Maybe the real reason we haven't had any more terra attacks domestically since 911 is because the Bush administration hyped the level of the threat in the first place? Even the anthrax panic a couple years ago appear to be the work of a disgruntled Bush supporter who wanted to hype the level of terra threat.

    So, 5 years later and people are finally catching on about just how needlessly this war has been hyped by the administration, but according to Bush apologist like Vashner anyone who writes about this obvious fact is a Al-Queda sympathizer. Hitler would have been proud.
    The war on terror has been blown out of proportion. Tell you what dan,
    do you want to meet someone who was in the WTC on 9/11 and survived.
    How would you like to tell them that to their face? 3000 lives mean
    nothing to you, you are, really are, pardon me, but a dumb . In the
    true since of the word. Pardon the curse word.

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    11 Lashkar-e-Taeba terrorists arrested in US
    7 terrorists arrested in U.S.
    Terrorists Arrested In Miami
    Four terrorists arrested in terror conspiracy
    Suspected terrorists arrested in Ohio
    In almost each one of the cases the evidence was so weak it was almost ludicrious.

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    In almost each one of the cases the evidence was so weak it was almost ludicrious.

    I repeat me earlier post: you are so wrong that it hurts and such a
    dumb .

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    The war on terror has been blown out of proportion. Tell you what dan,
    do you want to meet someone who was in the WTC on 9/11 and survived.
    How would you like to tell them that to their face? 3000 lives mean
    nothing to you, you are, really are, pardon me, but a dumb . In the
    true since of the word. Pardon the curse word.
    First of all it, was 2948 victims, at least I care enough about them to get the number right.

    Second of all, I think even they would be disgusted that we attacked a country that had minimal to no involvement with the organization that carried out the attack that led to their deaths.

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    First of all it, was 2948 victims, at least I care enough about them to get the number right.
    Talk about being preposterous.

    Truth be told, those 2,948 victims had families. I wonder how many of them "died" in spirit that day. Or worse, actually dropped dead of heart attacks, or grief, or broken hearts.

    I think 3,000 was a conservative estimate. You're just being an asshole pretending you care about anybody affected that day.

    Second of all, I think even they would be disgusted that we attacked a country that had minimal to no involvement with the organization that carried out the attack that led to their deaths.
    I'd be a little miffed if we'd of invaded Iraq on the basis that they had a direct involvement in the September 11th attacks, (which may turn out to be the case -- but, I'll grant, that wasn't known at the time we invaded).

    But, that's not the case. So, I'm thinking none of the 2,948 victims would be disgusted...Casey Sheehan, on the other hand, is probably turning over in his grave.

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    First of all it, was 2948 victims, at least I care enough about them to get the number right.

    Second of all, I think even they would be disgusted that we attacked a country that had minimal to no involvement with the organization that carried out the attack that led to their deaths.
    Well I was a survivor and the only bad thing I had to say to bush was what took you so long. And those bas s were nothing but cowards and enjoyed killing themselves to kill others, all innocent others. And those cowards were involved in many countries like Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran and probably many others. They attacked us many years earlier also before 9/11 so that figure of 2948 isn't correct either because there was others before that.
    So you mights as well stick that up you ass and if I do ever meet you I will probably slug for not sticking up for your country. No matter who the president is you should stand behind him because he is standing up for America.

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    So you mights as well stick that up you ass and if I do ever meet you I will probably slug for not sticking up for your country. No matter who the president is you should stand behind him because he is standing up for America.

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    Well I was a survivor and the only bad thing I had to say to bush was what took you so long. And those bas s were nothing but cowards and enjoyed killing themselves to kill others, all innocent others. And those cowards were involved in many countries like Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran and probably many others. They attacked us many years earlier also before 9/11 so that figure of 2948 isn't correct either because there was others before that.
    So you mights as well stick that up you ass and if I do ever meet you I will probably slug for not sticking up for your country. No matter who the president is you should stand behind him because he is standing up for America.
    The 911 Commission found no link between al-Queda-Saddam-Iraq-Bin Laden prior to 911, but if you have other evidence that the 911 Commission may have ignored, you are welcome to post it here.

    I have deep sympathy to the 911 families, many of which have refused to go along with our government's attempted bribery to silence them and kill any real investigation. The government has does everything legally possible to stifle the families investigation into the cir stance revolving around 911.

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    The 911 Commission found no link between al-Queda-Saddam-Iraq-Bin Laden prior to 911, but if you have other evidence that the 911 Commission may have ignored, you are welcome to post it here.
    Are you not paying attention? That's not what the 911 commission concluded at all.

    There have been numerous do ents translated since the 911 commission report that demonstrate an al Qaeda/Iraqi relationship going back as far as 1998.
    I have deep sympathy to the 911 families, many of which have refused to go along with our government's attempted bribery to silence them and kill any real investigation. The government has does everything legally possible to stifle the families investigation into the cir stance revolving around 911.
    Do you feel stifled by the government Betsy?

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    Do you feel stifled by the government Betsy?
    Warning: Logical fallacy about to take place.

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    Are you not paying attention? That's not what the 911 commission concluded at all.

    There have been numerous do ents translated since the 911 commission report that demonstrate an al Qaeda/Iraqi relationship going back as far as 1998.


    A very superficial relationship. No one has provided any evidence that Saddam provided financial, logistical, strategic, or any other type of aid to Al-Queda involving 911.

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    I think its hilarious that the only people who ever say bush is responsible for all of our problems are Republicans saying it sarcastically
    over
    and over
    and over
    again

    remember after katrina when the neocons busted their chodes telling us how Bush cant control the weather?

    hilarious

    the only thing funnier is when a neocon argues against free speech and will ALWAYS WITHOUT A DOUBT say that you cant yell fire in a crowded theatre!
    ROFL

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    The 911 Commission found no link between al-Queda-Saddam-Iraq-Bin Laden prior to 911, but if you have other evidence that the 911 Commission may have ignored, you are welcome to post it here.

    I have deep sympathy to the 911 families, many of which have refused to go along with our government's attempted bribery to silence them and kill any real investigation. The government has does everything legally possible to stifle the families investigation into the cir stance revolving around 911.
    I don't give a damn about the 911 commission because they are full of also. I dive a damn about our goverment and our president and those of us that did go through it. So again stick it up your ass.
    And if you ever want to meet me....just say so

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    alright I'll meet you at the Paggi House on Lamar Blvd in Austin Texas

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    I don't give a damn about the 911 commission because they are full of also. I dive a damn about our goverment and our president and those of us that did go through it. So again stick it up your ass.
    And if you ever want to meet me....just say so
    So everybody is full of except for the government and our president...? It's because they really do have our best interests at heart, right.

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    alright I'll meet you at the Paggi House on Lamar Blvd in Austin Texas
    You really don't want to meet this lady with your at ude, dude. She will
    duke you, and you will know it. But she will do it to your face and not
    slapping she endured on 9/11.

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    The 911 Commission found no link between al-Queda-Saddam-Iraq-Bin Laden prior to 911, but if you have other evidence that the 911 Commission may have ignored, you are welcome to post it here.

    I have deep sympathy to the 911 families, many of which have refused to go along with our government's attempted bribery to silence them and kill any real investigation. The government has does everything legally possible to stifle the families investigation into the cir stance revolving around 911.
    dan, this is the same 9/11 where Burglar, the pants stuffer appeared, right?
    You know the guy who covered up for Clinton, right?

    About me getting the number straight. You met the lady I was referring to.
    I gave her a call and thought she might have something to say to you. You
    deserve all the credit you can get. She was there, she saw both towers
    come down, she saw the bodies that hit the ground. You really don't want
    to meet her with your at ude either. And she received no compensation
    for her ordeal, so don't go there either. She really has a great deal of
    feelings for the families that suffered loses. Much of how she feels isn't
    expressed in her post. But you keep on posting you crap, I will take the
    word of those who have been on the front line. You keep spouting all the
    spin from you little machine, I will take reality. Your post keeps showing
    you for you are, a twerp!

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    oh she SAW the towers fall?
    congrats
    she IS better than the average american then
    she makes pat tillman look like fidel castro

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    So everybody is full of except for the government and our president...? It's because they really do have our best interests at heart, right.
    Another twerp wishes to express his feelings, instead of reality. And yes,
    much to your interest, the government and many hard working people do have you interest at heart and your wellbeing. You like others on this
    forum show you ignorance of what this world is composed of. God help you,
    and your poor judgement.

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    A very superficial relationship. No one has provided any evidence that Saddam provided financial, logistical, strategic, or any other type of aid to Al-Queda involving 911.
    Are you unable to distinguish between the two concepts of them having a significant relationship and Iraq being involved in 9/11?

    Their relationship was anything but superficial and while there isn't any specific evidence (yet) pointing to directed support for 9/11, by Iraq, that doesn't mean al Qaeda didn't benefit from their relationship in ways that were detrimental to our interests.

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    Are you unable to distinguish between the two concepts of them having a significant relationship and Iraq being involved in 9/11?

    Their relationship was anything but superficial and while there isn't any specific evidence (yet) pointing to directed support for 9/11, by Iraq, that doesn't mean al Qaeda didn't benefit from their relationship in ways that were detrimental to our interests.
    Then we have an indirect responsbility due to our support of Bin Laden and the Muhajeen back when Russia was fighting in Afghanistan?

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