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    Keep The Balance IX_Equilibrium's Avatar
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    ..for voting for Bush.

    It's long but this dude is ing right on.

    Here is the audio (1st few seconds are music)
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    Here it is in print:
    AN APOLOGY FROM A BUSH VOTER

    By Doug McIntyre
    Host, McIntyre in the Morning
    Talk Radio 790 KABC

    There’s nothing harder in public life than admitting you’re wrong. By the way, admitting you’re wrong can be even tougher in private life. If you don’t believe me, just ask Bill Clinton or Charlie Sheen. But when you go out on the limb in public, it’s out there where everyone can see it, or in my case, hear it.

    So, I’m saying today, I was wrong to have voted for George W. Bush. In historic terms, I believe George W. Bush is the worst two-term President in the history of the country. Worse than Grant. I also believe a case can be made that he’s the worst President, period.

    In 2000, I was a McCain guy. I wasn’t sure about the Texas Governor. He had name recognition and a lot of money behind him, but other than that? What? Still, I was sick of all the Clinton shenanigans and the thought of President Gore was… unthinkable. So, GWB became my guy.

    For the first few months he was just flubbing along like most new Presidents, no great shakes, but no disasters either. He cut taxes and I like tax cuts.

    Then September 11th happened. September 11th changed everything for me, like it did for so many of you. After September 11th, all the intramural idiocy of American politics stopped being funny. We had been attacked by a vicious and determined enemy and it was time for all of us to row in the same direction.

    And we did for the blink of an eye. I believed the President when he said we were going to hunt down Bin Laden and all those responsible for the 9-11 murders. I believed President Bush when he said we would go after the terrorists and the nations that harbored them.

    I supported the President when he sent our troops into Afghanistan, after all, that’s where the Taliban was, that’s where al-Qaida trained the killers, that’s where Bin Laden was.

    And I cheered when we quickly toppled the Taliban government, but winced when we let Bin Laden escape from Tora-Bora.

    Then, the talk turned to Iraq and I winced again.

    I thought the connection to 9-11 was sketchy at best. But Colin Powell impressed me at the UN, and Tony Blair was in, and after all, he was a Clinton guy, not a Bush guy, so I thought the case had to be strong. I was worried though, because I had read the Wolfowitz paper, “The Project for the New American Century.” It’s been around since ‘92, and it raised alarm bells because it was based on a theory, “Democratizing the Middle East” and I prefer pragmatism over theory. I was worried because Iraq was being justified on a radical new basis, “pre-emptive war.” Any time we do something without historical precedent I get nervous.

    But the President shifted the argument to WMDs and the urgent threat of Iraq getting atomic weapons. The debate turned to Saddam passing nukes on to terror groups. After 9-11, the risk was too great. As the President said, “The next smoking gun might be a mushroom cloud.” At least that’s what I thought at the time.

    I grew up in New York and watched them build the World Trade Center. I worked with a guy, Frank O’Brien, who put the elevators in both towers. I lost a very close friend on September 11th. 103 floor, tower one, Cantor Fitzgerald. Tim Coughlin was his name. If we had to take out Iraq to make sure something like that, or worse, never happened again, so be it. I knew the consequences. We have a soldier in our house. None of this was theoretical in my house.

    But in the months and years since shock and awe I have been shocked repeatedly by a consistent litany of excuses, alibis, double-talk, inaccuracies, bogus predictions, and flat out lies. I have watched as the President and his administration changed the goals, redefined the reasons for going into Iraq, and fumbled the good will of the world and the focus necessary to catch the real killers of September 11th.

    I have watched the President say the commanders on the ground will make the battlefield decisions, and the war won’t be run from Washington. Yet, politics has consistently determined what the troops can and can’t do on the ground and any commander who did not go along with the administration was sacked, and in some cases, maligned.

    I watched and tried to justify the looting in Iraq after the fall of Saddam. I watched and tried to justify the dismantling of the entire Iraqi army. I tired to explain the complexities of building a functional new Iraqi army. I urged patience when no WMDs were found. Then the Vice President told us we were in the “waning days of the insurgency.” And I started wincing again. The President says we have to stay the course but what if it’s the wrong course?

    It was the wrong course. All of it was wrong. We are not on the road to victory. We’re about to slink home with our tail between our legs, leaving civil war in Iraq and a nuclear armed Iran in our wake. Bali was bombed. Madrid was bombed. London was bombed. And Bin Laden is still making tapes. It’s unspeakable. The liberal media didn’t create this reality, bad policy did.

    Most historians believe it takes 30-50 years before we get a reasonably accurate take on a President’s place in history. So, maybe 50 years from now Iraq will be a peaceful member of the brotherhood of nations and George W. Bush will be celebrated as a visionary genius.

    But we don’t live fifty years in the future. We live now. We have to make public policy decisions now. We have to live with the consequences of the votes we cast and the leaders we chose now.

    After five years of carefully watching George W. Bush I’ve reached the conclusion he’s either grossly incompetent, or a hand puppet for a gaggle of detached theorists with their own private view of how the world works. Or both.

    Presidential failures. James Buchanan, Franklin Pierce, Jimmy Carter, Warren Harding-— the compe ion is fierce for the worst of the worst. Still, the damage this President has done is enormous. It will take decades to undo, and that’s assuming we do everything right from now on. His mistakes have global implications, while the other failed Presidents mostly authored domestic embarrassments.

    And speaking of domestic embarrassments, let’s talk for a minute about President Bush’s domestic record. Yes, he cut taxes. But tax cuts combined with reckless spending and borrowing is criminal mismanagement of the public’s money. We’re drunk at the mall with our great grandchildren’s credit cards. Whatever happened to the party of fiscal responsibility?

    Bush created a giant new en lement, the prescription drug plan. He lied to his own party to get it passed. He lied to the country about its true cost. It was written by and for the pharmaceutical industry. It helps nobody except the multinationals that lobbied for it. So much for smaller government. In fact, virtually every tentacle of government has grown exponentially under Bush. Unless, of course, it was an agency to look after the public interest, or environmental protection, and/or worker’s rights.

    I’ve talked so often about the border issue, I won’t bore you with a rehash. It’s enough to say this President has been a catastrophe for the wages of working people; he’s debased the work ethic itself. “Jobs Americans won’t do!” He doesn’t believe in the sovereign borders of the country he’s sworn to protect and defend. And his devotion to cheap labor for his corporate benefactors, along with his worship of multinational trade deals, makes an utter mockery of homeland security in a post 9-11 world. The President’s January 7th, 2004 speech on immigration, his first trial balloon on his guest worker scheme, was a deal breaker for me. I couldn’t and didn’t vote for him in 2004. And I’m glad I didn’t.

    Katrina, Harriet Myers, The Dubai Port Deal, skyrocketing gas prices, shrinking wages for working people, staggering debt, astronomical foreign debt, outsourcing, open borders, contempt for the opinion of the American people, the war on science, media manipulation, faith based initives, a cavalier at ude toward fundamental freedoms-- this President has run the most arrogant and out-of-touch administration in my lifetime, perhaps, in any American’s lifetime.

    You can make a case that Abraham Lincoln did what he had to do, the public be damned. If you roll the dice on your gut and you’re right, history remembers you well. But, when your gut led you from one business failure to another, when your gut told you to trade Sammy Sosa to the Cubs, and you use the same gut to send our sons and daughters to fight and die in a distraction from the real war on terror, then history will and should be unapologetic in its condemnation.

    None of this, by the way, should be interpreted as an endorsement of the opposition party. The Democrats are equally bankrupt. This is the second crime of our age. Again, historically speaking, its times like these when America needs a vibrant opposition to check the power of a run-amuck majority party. It requires it. It doesn’t work without one. Like the high and low tides keep the oceans alive, a healthy, positive opposition offers a path back to the center where all healthy societies live.

    Tragically, the Democrats have allowed crackpots, leftists and demagogic cowards to snipe from the sidelines while taking no responsibility for anything. In fairness, I don’t believe a Democrat president would have gone into Iraq. Unfortunately, I don’t know if President Gore would have gone into Afghanistan. And that’s one of the many problems with the Democrats.

    The two party system has always been clumsy and imperfect, but it has only collapsed once, in the 1850s, and the result was civil war.

    I believe, as I have said countless times, the two party system is on the brink of a second collapsed. It’s currently running on spin, anger, revenge, and pots and pots and pots of money.

    We’re being governed by paper-mache patriots; brightly painted red, white and blue, but hollow to the core. Both parties have mastered the cynical arts of media manipulation and fund raising. They’ve learned the lessons of Watergate and burn the tapes. They have learned to divide the nation for their own gain. They have demonstrated the willingness to exploit any tragedy for personal advantage. The contempt they have for the American people is without parallel.

    This is painful to say, and I’m sure for many of you, painful to read. But it’s impossible to heal the country until we’re willing to acknowledge the truth no matter how painful. We have to wean ourselves off sugar coated partisan lies.

    With a belated tip of the cap to Ralph Nader, the system is broken, so broken, it’s almost inevitable it pukes up the Al Gores and George W. Bushes. Where are the Trumans and the Eisenhowers? Where are the men and women of vision and accomplishment? Why do we have to settle for recycled hacks and malleable ciphers? Greatness is always rare, but is basic competence and simple honesty too much to ask?

    It may be decades before we have the full picture of how paranoid and contemptuous this administration has been. And I am open to the possibility that I’m all wet about everything I’ve just said. But I’m putting it out there, because I have to call it as I see it, and this is how I see it today. I don’t say any of this lightly. I’ve thought about this for months and months. But eventually, the weight of evidence takes on a gravitational force of its own.

    I believe that George W. Bush has taken us down a terrible road. I don’t believe the Democrats are offering an alternative. That means we’re on our own to save this magnificent country. The United States of America is a gift to the world, but it has been badly abused and it’s rightful owners, We the People, had better step up to the plate and reclaim it before the damage becomes irreparable.

    So, accept my apology for allowing partisanship to blind me to an obvious truth; our President is incapable of the tasks he is charged with. I almost feel sorry for him. He is clearly in over his head. Yet, he doesn’t generate the sympathy Warren Harding earned. Harding, a spectacular mediocrity, had the self-knowledge to tell any and all he shouldn’t be President. George W. Bush continues to act the part, but at this point whose buying the act?

    Does this make me a waffler? A flip-flopper? Yep, although I prefer to call it realism. And, for those of you who never supported Bush, its also fair to accuse me of kicking Bush while he’s down. After all, you were kicking him while he was up.

    You were right, I was wrong

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    Total bull ...

    Jobs are great.. .economy smoking.. military shining kicking some ass all over the world.

    This guy just fell into the doom and gloom leftist fake ass bull ...

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    Keep The Balance IX_Equilibrium's Avatar
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    Total bull ...

    Jobs are great.. .economy smoking.. military shining kicking some ass all over the world.

    This guy just fell into the doom and gloom leftist fake ass bull ...
    Military kicking ass? Granted, troops are doing the best they can, but in the situation that they are put in in Iraq, trying to better a country filled with people who resent them and our form of government, we are far from kicking ass.

    Want proof? Bush and his minions referred to the Iraqi insurgents as, "a small and insignificant group who would be overcome quickly". Well, 3 years and over 2400 American dead soldiers later, we can see that Bush's propoganda is the fake ass bull . Three years later we have Bin Laden still uncaptured, and the state of affairs in Iraq is alot more unstable than when Saddam was in office. Do you still think the insurgents are a "small and insignificant group"?

    I am a republican, but I see things for the way they are. You need to stop being brainwashed by Hannity and Rush.

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    just because the republic of china is purchasing our national debt and local companies are making money cuz of foreign labor does not mean our economy is kicking ass

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    military shining kicking some ass all over the world.
    Another stupid comment from Vashner.

    What's new in the political forum?

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    Ain't over 'till its over MaNuMaNiAc's Avatar
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    Total bull ...

    Jobs are great.. .economy smoking.. military shining kicking some ass all over the world.

    This guy just fell into the doom and gloom leftist fake ass bull ...
    what are you blind, def and dumb? I bet when you watch the news you cover your eyes and ears and go "LaLaLaLaLaLaLA....."

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    Vashner is in 6th grade, cut him some slack

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    oh yeah, and Vashner...just like Yoni and especially like Xray.... dont read opposing articles, that's why all they do is utilize ad hominem attacks

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    Smokin? The economy is smokin? The DOW is almost back to where it was under Clinton, which means essentially zero growth in the Bush years, except that the NASDAQ is about half it's Clinton era value. Nice try for a spin, but no cigar.

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    Yeah too bad jobless rate is lower than under Clinton

    AND,

    the US Government just got the second largest paid income in the history of the country on April 15.

    Yeah no one has any money.....

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    Ain't over 'till its over MaNuMaNiAc's Avatar
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    http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/05/...oll/index.html

    CNN) -- In a new poll comparing President Bush's job performance with that of his predecessor, a strong majority of respondents said President Clinton outperformed Bush on a host of issues. The poll of 1,021 adult Americans was conducted May 5-7 by Opinion Research Corp. for CNN. It had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

    Respondents favored Clinton by greater than 2-to-1 margins when asked who did a better job at handling the economy (63 percent Clinton, 26 percent Bush) and solving the problems of ordinary Americans (62 percent Clinton, 25 percent Bush). (Watch whether Americans are getting nostalgic for the Clinton era -- 1:57)

    On foreign affairs, the margin was 56 percent to 32 percent in Clinton's favor; on taxes, it was 51 percent to 35 percent for Clinton; and on handling natural disasters, it was 51 percent to 30 percent, also favoring Clinton.

    Moreover, 59 percent said Bush has done more to divide the country, while only 27 percent said Clinton had.

    When asked which man was more honest as president, poll respondents were more evenly divided, with the numbers -- 46 percent Clinton to 41 percent Bush -- falling within the poll's margin of error. The same was true for a question on handling national security: 46 percent said Clinton performed better; 42 percent picked Bush.

    Clinton was impeached in 1998 over testimony he gave in a deposition about an extramarital sexual relationship with White House intern Monica Lewinksy. He was later aquitted by the Senate.
    Interesting...

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    Yeah too bad jobless rate is lower than under Clinton

    AND,

    the US Government just got the second largest paid income in the history of the country on April 15.

    Yeah no one has any money.....
    I don't care if Joe No Teeth has a job at 7-11. The good paying jobs are hemmoraging overseas.

    No one HAS any money, TPark. Have you checked out the negative savings rate? First time since Hoover's Depression...

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    Doug McIntyre is the smartest conservative republican I've ever heard. Listen up Yoni !!

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    oh yeah, and Vashner...just like Yoni and especially like Xray.... dont read opposing articles, that's why all they do is utilize ad hominem attacks
    ad hominem attacks? Yeah, alot of the stuff I start to read
    and then discover that dan and others have used a source that is
    unreliable or BS and I then discard it as such. You know like
    the NYT which has a bias that is out of this world. I am old
    enough to know truth. And a little common sense goes
    a long ways. Something, it appears, you are in short supply
    of. Oh, and another great source quoted quite often is the
    BBC. Now there is a real unbias source.

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    This article basically explained my exact position.

    I voted for this dip in 2000 too. Not in 04.

    Democrats offer no better sanctuary either. Basically, I am starting to think we're ed.

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    Article is well written, and the reason liberals or democrats should not take solace in GW's low polls:

    He is losing his base, but they ain't favoring the dems; it may mean a win for the democrats, but when they show they are just as inept and corrupt the cycle will repeat, until, as the writer suggests, a STRONG surge to dismantle this two party system can be waged.

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    The two party system is here to stay. Unfortunately, there is no
    leader in either party to get them out of their dumb ways. I am
    afraid that after to nights speech Bush is going to lose a lot more
    support. Neither party just doesn't seem to understand people are
    fed up with the lukewarm approach to taking care of the country.
    Social programs are not what people want. They want someone who
    can govern and put the country to the fore. We are a country run
    by a bunch of militants who trade votes for their agenda and the
    politicians go for it like a cat for catnip. If anyone is starving in
    this country it is their own fault. We have enough programs to
    take care of the average bear twice over. We are war and the
    politicans are still worried about political correctness and signing
    up people for a drug programs no one ask for to begin with.
    It must be very dark where most of the politicians have their
    head, on both parties.

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    That is why I cannot vote republican.

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    Is America waking up? Is this the beginning of the end for America's two-party quagmire?

    Sheeya right.

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    Is America waking up? Is this the beginning of the end for America's two-party quagmire?

    Sheeya right.
    Doesnt a thinking man wish.

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    Doesnt a thinking man wish.
    Yes, I do.

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