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Apparently we can match up with them. We blew them out in the first game we played then lost by 7 without Harris, Howard and Griffin.
Hope there is not another thread dedicated to this specific topic.
I don't think that the Mavs have much of a chance at all against the Pistons. I would lean towards the view that their chance to beat Detroit is none, zero, nada, the big goose egg.
The Mavs beat us due to matchups. If the matchups were not so bad for us, I think that the Spurs would beat the Mavs.
Sometimes, a team can be better than another team but just not match up well with them.
The most obvious example is the Utah Jazz and the Pistons. The Pistons are the best team in the NBA (if we had not lost then I would say it was one of our two teams and we would see in the Finals). Yet, the Jazz, a vastly inferior team beat them twice in the regular season. The Kings gave us fits, but we are a better team. The reason again is matchups.
In general, apart from a consideration of matchups, Detroit is a better basketball team.
Therefore, if the Mavs were going to beat the Pistons, they would need some serious matchup advantages. However, they don't have any matchup advantages that I see.
They used pick and rolls and screens to isolate Dirk on Tim and Dirk for the first time in his life drove to the basket using his speed. Also, on the last play of the game in regulation, Dirk did what everyone knew he needed to do for Dallas to advance, he actually went to the basket over a defender 4 to 6 inches shorter than him. And it went in. consequently, they won.
The way that they used 2 small point guards and Dirk to take away from our big lineup, force us to go small and defang our defense gave them a great advantage which they barely exploited (in the sense that it took 7 games for them to win). They can't hurt Detroit's defense by going small.
Lindsey Hunter can certainly stop or greatly slow down Jason Terry.
Dirk isolating on a big (to get away from Teyshaun or Sheed for example), leaves him 1 on 1 with Ben Wallace (or the other big). Nothing gained there at all.
Teyshaun has the length to really contest Dirk's shot. He certainly has all the quickness Dirk has and then some. Dirk isn't really a post player and Dirk lacks the strength that a Tim Duncan has to take Teyshaun in the low block.
Besides Ben Wallace is a great help defender.
Moreover, whenever they want, they can move Sheed over. Dirk will get nothing posting up against Rasheed, especially since it is not Dirk's normal game.
Dirk will struggle mightily to get his production. He will have to work very hard indeed and I am skeptical about it. Regular season is interesting but not really relevant.
I can't see any matchup advantages for Dallas. And at the end of the game, Detroit will be able to get the stops they need to get it done. That's just the truth of the matter. Ballgame.
Go Pistons!!!
Apparently we can match up with them. We blew them out in the first game we played then lost by 7 without Harris, Howard and Griffin.
That's close to my thoughts on it. The Pistons have multiple reliable bigs, and Prince should be able to do pretty good on Dirk. It certainly would be hard for the Mavs to pull it out. They also have several reliable jump shooters.
The inability to make jump shots is really what killed the Spurs in this series. Which is strange when you look at the people taking the shots (Bowen, Barry, Horry, Finley).
I agree. Dallas, especially in the first half, made a lot of relatively difficult jumpshots (too many easy layups). On the other hand, we got some good open looks which Bruce will normally knock down. Just had a bad shooting night and they had a great one. Their great shooting night could have been reduced had we played better interior defense (but that was an advantage they had going small).
Still we would have won if we didn't foul Dirk.
Billups, Sheed and Rip are shooting the 3 extremely well. I believe Rip can keep doing this every year because he has been such a great midrange shooter for so long. It is just a slight extension of his range. So, I would expect him to shoot well from 3 for the rest of his career. Chaucey has been a great 3 point shooter for quite a while now. Also, it seems to me that there is a significant correlation between shooting free throws well and being a good 3 point shooter. A lot of the good free throw shooters also shoot 3's well (the converse does not hold- example Bruce). Billups and Rip both shoot fts well and have for a long time. This year Sheed is shooting from distance well by percentage. They can make the open j (unlike us this game).
The biggest problem for Dallas is Dirk does not have a favorable matchup.
Regular season does not mean much. A 7 game playoff series is very different than 1 regular season victory, especially in the Finals. Trust us on this one.
who cares about this matchup? the pistons better beat the heat before they look at anybody. detroit needs a bench to beat dallas.
they have a bench. The only thing is that you can't see it because the reserves are sitting on it!!!
McDyess and Hunter are enough.
They also have Evans and Delk.
That's enough. Detroit has just the right age on their team. Young enough that they are healthy and well conditioned... Experienced enough to know how to play with poise under pressure. Average age 29??? Perfect.
Teams 10 deep don't win that try to play everybody. Look at Memphis last year.
i still think the pistons are winning it all. but thier horrible bench could hurt them. are you comparing the mavs to memphis of last year? evans sucks so dont even bring him up. what has he done in his career?they have a bench. The only thing is that you can't see it because the reserves are sitting on it!!!
McDyess and Hunter are enough.
They also have Evans and Delk.
That's enough. Detroit has just the right age on their team. Young enough that they are healthy and well conditioned... Experienced enough to know how to play with poise under pressure. Average age 29??? Perfect.
Teams 10 deep don't win that try to play everybody. Look at Memphis last year.
Wow, a lot of dissing on Dirk here.
Dirk is impossible to guard. He doesn't have to drive to the basket, he has a sweet jumper, and can draw out Ben or Rasheed if they guard him. Or, he can fly by them and get fouls on Ben and Rasheed (which won't make them happy campers - people complaining about Duncan's words to the ref obviously haven't seen Rasheed).
The Mavs are going to be 10 times harder to guard than the Cavs...
you do realize that we made the Cavs look 100 times better then they really are right? Dork is hardly impossible to defend,he will get his points while we shut the rest of his team down.We will be so far inside stacks head that get 7 turnovers a game by himself.
Ben would guard Dirk. He's got the quick hands and mobility, plus he's got the length, and the ability to keep him off the glass. Tayshaun might see a little time, but I don't like small ball.
But first things first.. Miami is no joke.
Mavs fans are stupid and are getting y now. No way you beat the 2 best teams in the league in a 7 games series in the same year.
Mavs fans are the pacers fans of the west,Ive said it before and Ill say it again.I cant think of a worse insult to hurl at you then that one Mavs
Why not?? Is there some ruling that states that case?? I believe that the Pistons will win it all and its unfortunate that we both can meet up but I would not take the mavs too lightly. They have enough shooters in both the starting lineup and bench to give the stones problems.
The one major problem (aside from depth/coaching) is Josh Howard. He's just better than Prince.
And I am not in any way convinced that Billups is better than Jason Terry.
I appreciate your giving props to the Mavs but lets be honest spurs fan you lost that series more then Dallas won it.Had some bad calls not been made and had you not taken so long to get your heads outta your rears youd have beaten them in 6 easily.Dont give props to them till they show the toughness to win a ring
Man no! I'm not saying this just because I'm a Pistons fan. Tay is better than Howard, but since we have so many great players around him he doesn't get the stats. No way would Howard stop Kobe on the biggest stage. No way Howard would keep Lebron to 1 out of 9 shoooting in the second half of a game 7. Tay also has some good offensive skills. Chauncey is so much better than Terry it shouldn't even be a discussion.
Oh don't do that. Pistons hated it when this crapp was pulled on them. We can think the Spurs are better, but the Mavs still won.
Tayshaun Prince didn't do any of those things by himself. He's a decent team defender but his man-to-man defense is ridiculously overrated, more so since the bull handchecking restrictions took effect in 2004 and especially because in the Flip era. Offensively, he's a role player.
But whether or not we agree on that doesn't really matter. What does matter is that Howard MURDERS Prince and the Pistons every single time, to the tune of 18 PPG (25 PPG this season) on 57% shooting. Also keep in mind that Prince is ridiculously soft on the boards, while Howard is arguably the Mavs' best rebounder.
And I am still not in any way convinced that Billups is better than Jason Terry.
Last edited by Bob Lanier; 05-23-2006 at 05:35 PM.
Think what you want. I bet you every non mavs fan would say they would take CB and Tay over Terry and Howard.
I think the Mavs and the Pistons do match-up very well and I think it will be them in the finals.. but
theres still phoenix that the mavs have to beat.
its the truth though,Spurs are a better team then Mavs.
Yep and Detroit has to beat Miami as well.
The toughest matchup for the mavs is the suns. With Amare being out this is looking like Dallas's year though the suns should give the mavs problems. Dirk will stretch the Pistons defense like the spurs. If Ben Wallace guards Dirk that would make it easier for other players to attack the interior since Ben Wallace would be guarding the perimeter. Rasheed is too slow to guard Dirk as are most players in the league.
Unless Detroit gets jewed out of two games, they are going to ing rape the Mavericks. The Maverick bigs can't handle detroits, and Chauncy will make whoever guards him stay honest. Their starters are all long and good individual defenders. Do they still have that argentinan delfino dude? He could help them if they do.
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