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This is stupid. Sports don't follow the rules of logic...too many variables.
OK, for those who have taken logic, please analyze this argument and tell me where it's flawed.
NOTE: Assume the premises are correct, I know the the Suns are not proven to be better than the Mavs, we're just playing "what if" here.
Premise 1: Suns > Mavs
Premise 2: Mavs > Spurs
Conclusion: Suns > Spurs
This is stupid. Sports don't follow the rules of logic...too many variables.
True, but it's a pretty simple argument.
I guess I should have waited until after the Suns beat the Mavs, because right now, it's just not true...
I don't think the Mavs have played at anywhere close to the level that they played against the Spurs. They are either fatigued, or just not as hyped as they were against us. I think we would be up 3-1 on the Suns right now, if we had beaten Dallas.
Spurs > Suns
I think the only logical argument you could make is that the Suns play small ball better than the Spurs.
they give the mavs the same problems the mavs gave the spurs.
Mavs/Spurs>Suns
Simple, really.
Sorry, basketball is intransitive.
Last edited by strangeweather; 05-31-2006 at 10:37 AM.
In that same line of thinking, in relation to head-to-head, regular season records, do you believe this to be true:
Pistons > Spurs
Jazz > Pistons
Therefore, Jazz > Spurs
?
Suns played 14 games in 2 rounds. And mostly with 7 guys in rotation
Yes, assuming one could know those premises, this is logically valid argument. if a > b and b > c, then a > c. I believe it's called 'transitivity' or something like that.
Here's a logic overview from Stanford if you're interested: link
I must say that I think the top 5 teams this year were closer than everyone thought.
Not all properties are transitive.
One of those properties is "A defeated B in a playoff series".
It is true that the Mavs defeated the Spurs in a playoff series.
It may become true that the Suns defeat the Mavs in a playoff series.
That will not imply that the Suns will have defeated the Spurs in a playoff series.
We don't play them, so it's still debatable.
Mavs have no legitimate low post scorer. Suns have one player they can throw at Duncan, Kurt Thomas, When he's used up on fouls they are screwed. That is why the Suns have little to no chance if/when they get past the Mavs. Shaq will eat them alive.
Basketball is illogical.
If the Suns beat the Mavs, yes they are better than the Spurs. Anybody who says otherwise is just too proud to admit it.
or too dumb.
If the Suns get past the Mavs they're WC champions that's all that matters. Are you too stupid to realize that some teams don't match up as well with one team as another? My guess would be yes.
*ahem*match ups*ahem*
Are you sure you're not a Maverick fan?
If he's not he should be. He makes RON ARTEST look like he belongs in the Mensa society.
Are you sure you're not a Maverick fan?
Am I too stupid? How about you? If your Spurs couldn't play small ball against the Mavs, what makes you think that they could against the Suns? And don't give me that last years playoffs , because this is a completely different Suns team.
This would be like me saying that the Mavs were the best team between the Spurs and the Mavs last year. The Suns took out the Mavs, and the Spurs took out the Suns, so where is the logic in that? How is that ridiculous claim any different than any of you trying to claim that the Spurs are better than the Suns, even if the Suns beat the Mavs?
Then I guess the Jazz are better than the Pistons....and everyone else in the league, since the Pistons had the best record.
I don't see much evidence that last year's Mavs were better than the Suns, but the Spurs didn't prove they were better by beating them in the playoffs.
Likewise, the Suns beating the Mavs who beat the Spurs is evidence that the Suns are better, but it isn't proof, because they never played.
That's not to say I'm raising the Spurs > Suns banner, just that I think the argument is relatively moot without games to settle it.
You're comparing regular season to the playoffs? Get real, that holds no water. If the Suns win the WCF, there is no way that anyone can try to claim that the Spurs were a better team and not look like a giant homering moron.Then I guess the Jazz are better than the Pistons.
If Suns play the Heat watch what happens with Shaq and the Suns' version of small ball dildo.
You do realize that the Mavs have no low post scroer to punish the Suns with right? You do realize that a lot of the Spurs has been built to go up against teams that play big like the Pistons, Heat, Rockets. They played Dallas small ball with basically six players. DAllas brought in three guys to match up with Duncan. Spurs don't have the luxury of spending $90 million and having depth like Dallas. Even at that they were a couple of Javie and Bavetta ups from taking the Mavs.
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