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Who is paying for E85 to cost less than gasoline? Wholesale ethanol cost 360 cpg.
I wonder if cars fully digest corn?
Click HERE to see if your vehicle can use E-85.H-E-B Food Stores announced this week that it will start carrying an ethanol-based fuel at five of its gas stations in Central Texas. Two in Austin, one in Waco, Killeen store, and one near San Antonio will begin to sell the corn based product in August.
E-85 will sell for about 30 cents less per gallon than unleaded gas and will continue to cost less than gas as gas prices continue to rise.
With a mixture of 85 percent ethanol and 15 percent gasoline, E-85 could help reduce America’s dependence on foreign oil.
More than 450,000 Texans drive vehicles designed to run on the alternative fuel.
Cool, my vehicle is a flex vehicle.
Who is paying for E85 to cost less than gasoline? Wholesale ethanol cost 360 cpg.
There is a Fed subsidy of .50c per gal, and I imagine that the gas tax might only apply to the "gas" portion of e85?
"There is a Fed subsidy of .50c per gal"
There is also a federal import tax of $0.54/gal on imported ethanol, eg, from Brazil where ethanol and flexfuel cars have just about made Brazil independent of imported oil for fuel.
If the US would drop the prohibitive import tax, Brazil says they could ramp up their production of ethanol, mainly from the sugar cane, which is much superior to corn.
The USA is as ing insane and irrational as any drug addict in need of a fix.
The oil and coal companies ing own the USA and get exactly what they want, ie, our $$$.
The tariffs on imported ethanol have nothing to do with the oil business and everything to do with Big Agra (ConAgra/ADM). They have something like 22 senators wrapped around their finger protecting corn.
You're a dumbass (as usual). The agriculture and farming lobby are responsible for that tariff, not big oil.If the US would drop the prohibitive import tax, Brazil says they could ramp up their production of ethanol, mainly from the sugar cane, which is much superior to corn.
The USA is as ing insane and irrational as any drug addict in need of a fix.
The oil and coal companies ing own the USA and get exactly what they want, ie, our $$$.
The insane part is that OUR congress will not let US Oil Companies drill off the
coast and in Alaska and produce our own oil. E85 may be a resource later, but
now it is an excuse.
Ethnol's other shoe drops...
Big News NetworkU.S. motorists are grumbling at the increasingly high price for ethanol, a trend the could drive Washington to rethink its protection of the industry.
The price of ethanol, normally 5 cents to 10 cents cheaper than regular gasoline, is now 5 cents more expensive, KELO-TV, Sioux Falls, S.D., reported Tuesday. And that differential is expected to grow as summer driving season advances.
That it's $2.85 a gallon is ridiculous, it costs a lot of money, said Danielle Sickinger.
Even if we say that the gas tax doesn't apply at all to E85 and take out the fed subsidy, I still can't get cheaper than gasoline.
Ethanol was 372 cpg today.
372 - 50 = 322 - 40 = 282 cpg.
Don't forget that a gallon of E85 only contains roughly 5/6 of a gallon of ethanol, scott.
2.85 a gallon! Here it's 3.70!!!
If ethanol is more expensive than gasoline, mixing the two in any quan y you desire cannot create a substance with a price lower than gasoline. Simple algebra, buddy.
At straight market prices, I'd agree with you. You seemed to be trying a pricing formula for a gallon of E85 that included a gallon of ethanol, and that does not compute. Simple algebra, buddy.
does ethanol get you better mileage?
my old truck was e85...too bad there were a grand total of 0 stations in san antonio when i had it.
that was useful.
Think for a second, ex.
Retail Price of Ethanol = $2.82 * 85 % = $2.40
plus
Retail Price of Gasoline - $2.70 * 15% = $0.41
E85 Price = $2.81
Again, you can't take a product that cost more than gasoline and blend it into gasoline to make gasoline cost less.
Last edited by scott; 06-13-2006 at 10:15 PM. Reason: to be less harsh
Ethanol is typically higher performance but less fuel efficient.
Here's a decent article on the difference in mileage.
E85 and gas mileage: Where lies the truth?
Gene Johnston
Managing Editor, Successful Farming
5/08/2006, 9:27 AM CDT
As consumers across the country hear more about flex-fuel vehicles and corn-based ethanol, a mini-battle is brewing over just how big an impact ethanol has on a car's fuel economy.
Ethanol supporters and detractors agree that ethanol reduces gas mileage, because of its lower energy content. But by how much? The Iowa Corn Growers E85 Web site says that if you have a flex-fuel vehicle and burn E85 (85% ethanol, 15% regular gasoline), you'll experience a gas mileage drop of 5-15% compared with regular gasoline. Taking the middle, a car that gets 25 mpg on regular gas would get 22.5 mpg on E85.
Others say the gas mileage penalty for E85 is more severe. For instance, a story in USA Today this week told its millions of readers that the E85 mileage penalty is 28%. That means your 25 mpg car now only gets 18 mpg if you flex to E85.
While many consumers might willingly sacrifice 2.5 mpg in order to burn American-produced renewable ethanol, will they sacrifice 7 mpg? At that rate, a tank full (about 15 gallons) of regular gasoline would take you 100 miles farther than a tank of E85.
As with most issues, the truth on this one may lie somewhere in the middle. We called Dale Schroeder, administrator of fleet vehicles for the Iowa Department of Administrative Services. That state has over 1,000 E85 cars in its vehicle fleet (mandated by the governor and the state legislature). Iowa started using E85 vehicles in 1991. So, we asked Schroeder, what is the impact on gas mileage of E85 in real-world conditions?
"In the first few years, I kept very close track of this," says Schroeder. "We had a 17% reduction in fuel economy with E85."
Still, that answer is not so neat and tidy. Most people -- including state workers -- can't always put E85 in a car. There are still only a few hundred pumps nationwide that dispense E85. So, at least until recently, few flex-fuel cars have burned E85 exclusively. They will burn a tank of E85, then a tank of the more readily available E10, then another E85. As a result, the 17% reduction that Schroeder reports is based on his fleet burning about 55% E85, and 45% E10. "I was told that the [mileage] reduction could be 25%, so I didn't think 17% was too bad," he says.
"I know the technology on these E85 engines is better now than it was then, but I don't know that it's dramatically different," Schroeder says.
Unfortunately, the cost of E85 to the state of Iowa is higher than the cost of E10. On Friday, May 5, Schroeder said the cost of E10 at the state's bulk tank, untaxed, is $2.20 a gallon. E85 is $2.77. Schroeder theorizes that the difference is because of the current high demand for ethanol, particularly in places like California where ethanol must replace other fuel additives.
"Our governors and our state legislature have long supported ethanol," says Schroeder. "It creates jobs in Iowa, it promotes energy independence, and it's a cleaner fuel. I want us to continue to use [E85] in our state vehicle fleet. In the next year and half, we're going to move rapidly in that direction."
Schroeder puts his own money where his mouth is. He drives a flex-fuel Ford Ranger. On a recent long road trip, he only filled up with E85. Compared to other trips on only E10, he had a 20% reduction in fuel economy. Despite that, "I'm personally a big fan of E85," he says. "And finally, there are a number of stations out there that sell it."
PS: Apology accepted.
Yes, let's just stay enslaved to the Saudi's.
If we swear off Saudi oil so that only Europeans and Asiana purchase it, then we can claim some kind of moral victory when Saudi-funded terrorists kill Americans, because hey, at least we didn't pay for it.Yes, let's just stay enslaved to the Saudi's.
That's a lofty goal.
^^I know I sound like a broken record. But we could just drill in our own backyard
and use our own oil.
Yeah, we could. It would be more expensive, but we could.
What we can't do is stop other countries' people from buying Arab oil.
Agreed ES, we cant stop them. But do we want to? There is nothing to stop us
from continuing to do research on other fuels. Which I think is already going at
a steady pace. Although, much of our research is still based on using oil (gasoline)
for so called alternative fuels. Fuel cells, I think, will more than likely be the
ultimate choice for alternate power. And maybe coal as a replacement for oil,
carbon based, but very abundant. I doubt I will ever see the general use of it
but you never know.
What's the point in going green if it means we are dependent on a different country?
Energy independence. that's the key.
saving the rain forest just so Brazil can cut and clear to make more room for corn and beans.
It's not all about buying the oil, it's about being the Saudi standing army/navy/AF and fighting their Middle East battles, and propping up their repressive regime. Sure as God made little green apples, our military follows Exxon's oil tankers wherever they go, killing locals and generally pissing of the world, not to mention large portions of the people of the Middle East.
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