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I've seen several such pictures there -- but if it bleeds it leads.
Even on Fox.
I've seen several such pictures there -- but if it bleeds it leads.
Even on Fox.
Every single last one of them was bribed with PopRocks.
Good pics to see. Always glad to see a reminder that people are inherently good.
Yes, those are good pictures to see aren't they? However, I do not think those represent the majority of the Iraqi people's feeling toward U.S. They don't show those on the news because the majority of Iraqis hate us.
If those pictures were so true, there would not be over 1,000s of troops dead and that's not even with the addition of civilian casualties. I'm proud to be an American and it's great they showed soldiers hug children, but did you forget about those prison abuse photos?
The only reason they don't show those is becasue for the majority, they are not true.
Those photos are misleading to the U.S. and the rest of the world.
I am soooo looking for the [/tongue in cheek].
Yes, those are good pictures to see aren't they? However, I do not think those represent the majority of the Iraqi people's feeling toward U.S. They don't show those on the news because the majority of Iraqis hate us.
If those pictures were so true, there would not be over 1,000s of troops dead and that's not even with the addition of civilian casualties. I'm proud to be an American and it's great they showed soldiers hug children, but did you forget about those prison abuse photos?
The only reason they don't show those is because for the majority, they are not true.
And I'm pretty sure the majority of them over there support us otherwise we'd be fighting 20 million people instead of terrorists who resort to suicide bombings, fear attacks against the Iraquis, and hiding amongst women and children. Our troops would be massacred...1000 deaths is a horrible total but it is a small total compared to our other wars.
You probably think an overwhelming majority of Americans are against the war as well, due to incessant whining and protesting by demonstrators...but those are seldom very large gatherings. And if the majority shared their opinion they wouldn't need to demonstrate.
You probably think an overwhelming majority of our military would hate Bush for sending them into an "Oil War", yet statistics say Bush has a 3-1 advantage over Kerry amongst military...indeed, Kerry is trying to rob them of their right to vote for that reason.
You think these things because the overwhelming majority of journalists and media outlets are liberal biased, because rich liberals(like actors, musicians and pro athletes, are in the majority) have a lot more chances to spew their opinions out into the public domain. That's the only majority we are talking about here.
The baby that cries the loudest usually does get the most attention...
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I'll wait and see how many of them we allow to vote.And I'm pretty sure the majority of them over there support us
You go ahead and do that...but the simple fact is if that country was against us our troops would be routed every time they entered a city, and they would be run out of that country. One homicide bombing would not make the headlines because it would be common place.
If they could blow up all our tanks and planes, maybe. Perhaps you have some Zogby numbers on how many Iraqis like the occupaiton.but the simple fact is if that country was against us our troops would be routed every time they entered a city, and they would be run out of that country.
And what would you want if you were in their position? Which would you want? To be ruled eternally by some religious fanatic, one man representing all, or the right to elect your leader and have representative government?
And I wish we were as good at setting up puppet governments as you seem to think we are...if we were France and Germany wouldn't have told us to go screw ourselves and betrayed us(while our troops are stationed on German soil)
I think you underestimate them...there seem to be those who don't care about giving their life if it kills Americans, remember? That's who we are fighting now remember?...Obviously if that was a majority there would be no stopping them....and they have the sheer numbers to overwhelm our military there...bombs and tanks or not.
...I believe in most incursions now the number of trained Iraqis outnumbers the American troops that accompany them.
And perhaps you have some Zogby numbers on how many don't? Remember...they have foreign terrorists helping them. I believe those guys are commiting most of the suicide acts.
The only people that might be a majority against us over there are the Baathists and that's because they don't want the Shias to control their country. Sucks to be them...but there is no way for a minority to rule a majority humanely...history shows this to be true 100% of the time. That's why we need to stay there until we have hammered into them that they have to have somewhat of a secular government that is not based totally on religion.
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You're acting like they are all American christians with a tradition of democracy. Mostly I would imagine I'd want the Americans out.And what would you want if you were in their position? Which would you want? To be ruled eternally by some religious fanatic, one man representing all, or the right to elect your leader and have representative government?lol 60 years later? Let me know how many Iraqis get to vote, skippy.And I wish we were as good at setting up puppet governments as you seem to think we are...if we were France and Germany wouldn't have told us to go screw ourselves and betrayed us(while our troops are stationed on German soil)
Or, they could just wait until the US leaves like they say they are. This isn't a sprint.I think you underestimate them...there seem to be those who don't care about giving their life if it kills Americans, remember? That's who we are fighting now remember?...Obviously if that was a majority there would be no stopping them....and they have the sheer numbers to overwhelm our military there...bombs and tanks or not.You have their passports?they have foreign terrorists helping them. I believe those guys are commiting most of the suicide acts.
They invented democracy...not to mention christianity.
The first form of Democracy was right there between the Tigress and the Euphrates...what arrogance...we aren't imposing our type of government on them...they invented it...not to mention, language, mathematics, libraries educational systems and so on and so forth.
I guess you're right Chump we really ed up in WWII. We should have used instant solution.60 years later? Let me know how many Iraqis get to vote, skippy.
Yeah, when was the last democracy there?The first form of Democracy was right there between the Tigress and the Euphrates...what arrogance...we aren't imposing our type of government on them...they invented it...not to mention, language, mathematics, libraries educational systems and so on and so forth.What's your point? Independent countries are just that -- independent.I guess you're right Chump we really ed up in WWII. We should have used instant solution.
Then why are they fighting us now? Obviously it only keeps us there longer.
Oh so you mean the terrorists were already there which means W was right to take us to war...You have their passports?
I don't think, I know that's not true.I do not think those represent the majority of the Iraqi people's feeling toward U.S. They don't show those on the news because the majority of Iraqis hate us.
If the majority of Iraqis hated us, we'd have 150K dead troops, not 1000. There's 25 million people in Iraq, if the majority hated us it'd be over very quickly.If those pictures were so true, there would not be over 1,000s of troops dead and that's not even with the addition of civilian casualties.
When was the last Democracy in America before us? Japan? ETC.
How's Karl Malone's knee?
What's your point with worrying about the elections...you have nothing to base your allegations on other than Michael Moore's fat twisted belly.What's your point? Independent countries are just that -- independent.
It's gotten other countries out of there fairly quickly, so who knows?Then why are they fighting us now? Obviously it only keeps us there longer.Or they could've just been radicalized by the invasion and occupation. Who knows?Oh so you mean the terrorists were already there which means W was right to take us to war.
If you can't answer just say so, skippy.When was the last Democracy in America before us? Japan? ETC.
How's Karl Malone's knee?You really try to change the subject mightily when you can't answer. Everyone knows these aren't going to be fully open elections -- I figured you in your infinite wisdom knew already who was to be excluded.What's your point with worrying about the elections...you have nothing to base your allegations on other than Michael Moore's fat twisted belly.
WTF are you talking about? Would you mind elaborating rather that uttering monsyllabic grunts?
Obviously the majority weren't...back to square 1.Or they could've just been radicalized by the invasion and occupation. Who knows?
Me change the subject? This is totally about if the majority there hate us or support us and you have not made a single point, even using common sense, to back your position, without contradicting yourself...
LMAO, you are getting ass kicked so badly on this you don't even see how many times you have contradicted yourself...Kerry.
And since you speak for everyone and know what type of elections they will have, why don't you tell me what it is...and then tell me what your problem with it is.
Waiting on predictable Chump no answer where he tells me I am too stupid to figure it out...
The other countries who have or are pulling troops out of Iraq, you idiot.WTF are you talking about?http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/news/nation/9909662.htm?1cIndelible Ink to Be Used in Iraq Election
HAMZA HENDAWI
Associated Press
BAGHDAD, Iraq - Voters in Iraq's January elections will have their thumbs marked with indelible ink to prevent them casting ballots more than once, the Independent Electoral Commission of Iraq announced Wednesday.
The use of indelible ink sparked controversy in Afghanistan's presidential elections last weekend and an independent panel of experts is looking into opposition complaints that the ink used in some polling stations could be rubbed off.
Farid Ayar, who sits on the Iraqi commission's board, said the ink to be used in Iraq's elections could not be removed for at least 48 hours. Asked whether chemicals could be used to remove it, he said: "Yes, but it will burn."
The electoral commission also said the registration of parties and independent candidates wishing to participate in the election will begin Nov. 1 and continue until mid-December. Verification of voter rolls, based on a Saddam Hussein-era database for food rationing, will take place over the same period.
The announcements came as the commission published rules governing the eligibility of candidates for the election to choose a 275-seat assembly whose main task will be to draft a permanent cons ution for Iraq. If adopted, the do ent will be the basis for a second general election by Dec. 15, 2005.
Senior members of Saddam's Baath party will not be allowed to run, unless they have been exempted from laws barring them from public office, the commission said. Iraqis who were once "full members" of the party that ruled Iraq for 35 years will be required to sign a do ent renouncing their membership in order to participate.
Former members of Saddam's security agencies, which terrorized Iraqis throughout his 23-year rule, also were barred from running, as were Iraqis found to have taken part in the persecution of fellow citizens or to have illegally amassed wealth.
Foreign and local experts will be allowed to monitor the January vote, said Safwat Rasheed, another board member. However, they must belong to recognized non-governmental organizations.
Election staff in Afghanistan were supposed to mark voters' left thumbs with indelible ink, but some apparently used pens meant for marking the ballots or ink meant for stamping them instead. The wrong ink was easily washed off, opening the way to claims of multiple voting.
Prime Minister Ayad Allawi's government is determined to hold elections throughout Iraq by the U.N.-determined Jan. 31 deadline despite a mounting insurgency that has made parts of the country no-go zones for U.S. and Iraqi troops. Some U.S. commanders have expressed doubt that voting will be possible in all areas.
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