Yeah, people should just shut up instead of voicing dissent. It's the Amerikan thing to do.
Just heard on the news that Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson are suing the VP and Karl Rove over the alleged "leak." They are claiming that their cons utional rights were violated.![]()
For someone who was screaming about being outed, they seem to be doing everything they can to stay in the news!!
Yeah, people should just shut up instead of voicing dissent. It's the Amerikan thing to do.
Former CIA Officer Sues Cheney Over Leak
Sweet! Here's the complaint
Let the festivities begin.
Don't be outraged, PreRublicans. Paula Jones set the precendent, goaded and assisted by a bevy of GOPers, that if you can't pursue criminal charges against a seated elected executive, you sue their ass. Sauce for the goose...suck it, beeches.
My only hope is that they get these guys under oath.. that is when the fun will start..!
Oh how I agree with you on this one. Especially Joe Wilson. Think he will
refuse to testify?
But I think this will never go to trial. Something will happen on the way to
court.
They are angry that the cant get the special prosecutor to charge anyone
for outing what they had already outed.![]()
I doubt that Plame will win, but if she's got tough lawyers, the ugliness of head and his cronies should be exposed.
Unlike low-level WH people who get sued and destroyed by legal fees, head has 10's of $Ms to draw on for his mulit-$M legal fees.
Ehhhh, boutons, what ugliness is that. That they didn't sit out to out or destroy
"pretty lady" and husband?
That "pretty lady" recommended her husband to take a little vacation at government
expense and come back and trash the administration on a policy that they didn't
agree with to begin with.
another of my favoriter GOP talking points that his wife suggested him for the trip accepted as do ented fact..
In the August 1 column, Novak stated that the "unanimous Senate Intelligence Committee report ... said that Wilson's wife 'suggested him for the trip.'" But in a July 15, 2004, column, Novak clearly recognized that the committee did not reach an official conclusion about how the CIA made the decision to hire Wilson:
Like Sherlock Holmes's dog that did not bark, the most remarkable aspect of last week's Senate Intelligence Committee report is what its Democratic members did not say. They did not dissent from the committee's findings that Iraq apparently asked about buying yellowcake uranium from Niger. They neither agreed to a conclusion that former diplomat Joseph Wilson was suggested for a mission to Niger by his CIA employee wife nor defended his statements to the contrary.
Okay, here is an article that appeared in the Washington Post. It also cites the
Intelligence Committes report.
washingtonpost.com
Correction to This Article
In some editions of the Post, a July 10 story on a new Senate report on intelligence failures said that former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV told his contacts at the CIA that Iraq had tried to buy 400 tons of uranium from the African nation of Niger in 1998. In fact, it was Iran that was interested in making that purchase, but no contract was signed, according to the report.
Plame's Input Is Cited on Niger Mission
Report Disputes Wilson's Claims on Trip, Wife's Role
By Susan Schmidt
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, July 10, 2004; Page A09
Former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV, dispatched by the CIA in February 2002 to investigate reports that Iraq sought to recons ute its nuclear weapons program with uranium from Africa, was specifically recommended for the mission by his wife, a CIA employee, contrary to what he has said publicly.
Wilson last year launched a public firestorm with his accusations that the administration had manipulated intelligence to build a case for war. He has said that his trip to Niger should have laid to rest any notion that Iraq sought uranium there and has said his findings were ignored by the White House.
Wilson's assertions -- both about what he found in Niger and what the Bush administration did with the information -- were undermined yesterday in a bipartisan Senate intelligence committee report.
The panel found that Wilson's report, rather than debunking intelligence about purported uranium sales to Iraq, as he has said, bolstered the case for most intelligence analysts. And contrary to Wilson's assertions and even the government's previous statements, the CIA did not tell the White House it had qualms about the reliability of the Africa intelligence that made its way into 16 fateful words in President Bush's January 2003 State of the Union address.
Yesterday's report said that whether Iraq sought to buy lightly enriched "yellowcake" uranium from Niger is one of the few bits of prewar intelligence that remains an open question. Much of the rest of the intelligence suggesting a buildup of weapons of mass destruction was unfounded, the report said.
The report turns a harsh spotlight on what Wilson has said about his role in gathering prewar intelligence, most pointedly by asserting that his wife, CIA employee Valerie Plame, recommended him.
Plame's role could be significant in an ongoing investigation into whether a crime was committed when her name and employment were disclosed to reporters last summer.
Administration officials told columnist Robert D. Novak then that Wilson, a partisan critic of Bush's foreign policy, was sent to Niger at the suggestion of Plame, who worked in the nonproliferation unit at CIA. The disclosure of Plame's iden y, which was classified, led to an investigation into who leaked her name.
The report may bolster the rationale that administration officials provided the information not to intentionally expose an undercover CIA employee, but to call into question Wilson's bona fides as an investigator into trafficking of weapons of mass destruction. To charge anyone with a crime, prosecutors need evidence that exposure of a covert officer was intentional.
The report states that a CIA official told the Senate committee that Plame "offered up" Wilson's name for the Niger trip, then on Feb. 12, 2002, sent a memo to a deputy chief in the CIA's Directorate of Operations saying her husband "has good relations with both the PM [prime minister] and the former Minister of Mines (not to mention lots of French contacts), both of whom could possibly shed light on this sort of activity." The next day, the operations official cabled an overseas officer seeking concurrence with the idea of sending Wilson, the report said.
Wilson has asserted that his wife was not involved in the decision to send him to Niger.
"Valerie had nothing to do with the matter," Wilson wrote in a memoir published this year. "She definitely had not proposed that I make the trip."
Wilson stood by his assertion in an interview yesterday, saying Plame was not the person who made the decision to send him. Of her memo, he said: "I don't see it as a recommendation to send me."
The report said Plame told committee staffers that she relayed the CIA's request to her husband, saying, "there's this crazy report" about a purported deal for Niger to sell uranium to Iraq. The committee found Wilson had made an earlier trip to Niger in 1999 for the CIA, also at his wife's suggestion.
The report also said Wilson provided misleading information to The Washington Post last June. He said then that he concluded the Niger intelligence was based on do ents that had clearly been forged because "the dates were wrong and the names were wrong."
"Committee staff asked how the former ambassador could have come to the conclusion that the 'dates were wrong and the names were wrong' when he had never seen the CIA reports and had no knowledge of what names and dates were in the reports," the Senate panel said. Wilson told the panel he may have been confused and may have "misspoken" to reporters. The do ents -- purported sales agreements between Niger and Iraq -- were not in U.S. hands until eight months after Wilson made his trip to Niger.
Wilson's reports to the CIA added to the evidence that Iraq may have tried to buy uranium in Niger, although officials at the State Department remained highly skeptical, the report said.
Wilson said that a former prime minister of Niger, Ibrahim Assane Mayaki, was unaware of any sales contract with Iraq, but said that in June 1999 a businessman approached him, insisting that he meet with an Iraqi delegation to discuss "expanding commercial relations" between Niger and Iraq -- which Mayaki interpreted to mean they wanted to discuss yellowcake sales. A report CIA officials drafted after debriefing Wilson said that "although the meeting took place, Mayaki let the matter drop due to UN sanctions on Iraq."
According to the former Niger mining minister, Wilson told his CIA contacts, Iraq tried to buy 400 tons of uranium in 1998.
Still, it was the CIA that bore the brunt of the criticism of the Niger intelligence. The panel found that the CIA has not fully investigated possible efforts by Iraq to buy uranium in Niger to this day, citing reports from a foreign service and the U.S. Navy about uranium from Niger destined for Iraq and stored in a warehouse in Benin.
The agency did not examine forged do ents that have been widely cited as a reason to dismiss the purported effort by Iraq until months after it obtained them. The panel said it still has "not published an assessment to clarify or correct its position on whether or not Iraq was trying to purchase uranium from Africa."
© 2004 The Washington Post Company
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Now I am not going to read through the whole report to find the part quoted above,
if you want to be my guest. The report is just too damn long to dig it all out.
But I will take the Washington Post story as correct. Since the corrected part
of the story from the first printed and didn't correct the part about "pretty
lady" suggesting her husband for the trip. Not a GOP talking point. The
truth of the matter. She did suggest her husband.
So I think it is fair to assume that this issue has not been resolved and may never be.
The issue is solved in my mind. His wife suggested her hubby. What part of
the story is confusing you?
Wilson denies it and the Committee investigating the issue came back and said they could not verify if she did in fact offer him up as you say. Besides you also inferred that not only did she suggest him for the trip he was also against the war before he went therefore he had an agenda. To me this makes no sense because how did he know before he went that the story could not be verified?
Well then you obviously disgree with the Justice dept.
It's very clear 'her cover was blown' and Fitzgerald acknowledged it.. So either your wrong or the Office of the Special Prosecutor is in error. Considering Fitzgerald had all of the facts I will have to disagree with you..
"Valerie Wilson was a CIA officer. In July 2003, the fact that Valerie Wilson was a CIA officer was classified. Not only was it classified, but it was not widely known outside the intelligence community. Valeria Wilson's freinds, neighbors, college classmates had no idea she had another life. The fact that she was a CIA officer was not well known for her protection or for the benefit of all of us. It's important that a CIA officer's iden y be protected, they be protected not just for officer but for the nations security.
Valerie Wilson's cover was blown in July 2003. The first sign of her cover being blown was Mr. Novack published a column on July 14th 2003. .."
Last edited by George Gervin's Afro; 07-14-2006 at 10:30 AM.
Anyone else think Plame looks like Sharon Stone? Or maybe Virginia Madsen?
Not bad....
Wilsons only mistake was not lying about the existance of materials being sent to saddam. That's what pissed off the white house.
Cheney being sued. Hah.
I saw the le and it took me a while to sort through the possible charges to come up with the actual one being used in this suit.
I can't wait until this gets to trial. The Defense is going to obliterate Joe Wilson and his "Secret Agent" wife in the discovery phase. Unfortunately, this is just a ploy, by the Wilsons, to get a sixteenth minute so that her book will hopefully sell better. It'll never see a courtroom.
Let's review the FACTS.
In his New York Times opinion piece published on July 6, 2003, Wilson claimed that the CIA asked him the previous year to investigate claims that the Iraqis tried to purchase yellowcake uranium from Niger. This is the conclusion he said he reached:
Keep that bolded statement in mind. He then claimed to have been shocked to find his report misrepresented:
Note the differences between the two points in contention. Wilson originally reported that no sale had been completed, which appears accurate and, further, which no one disputes. However, he then slyly and subtly changes the argument to claim that his report showed that no attempt had even been made by the Iraqis to trade for yellowcake -- which the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence found out was false:
This information came to the CIA from Wilson himself and wound up being reported to Vice President Cheney. While Niger didn't actually complete the sale to Iraq, this demonstrated that Saddam Hussein attempted at least once to transact business with Niger for yellowcake uranium in defiance of the sanctions. Yellowcake could only have interested Saddam for weapons development. This evidence showed that Saddam had continued to violate the sanctions regime and still intended on developing WMD. Moreover, the US (and the British, who had similar intelligence) could not know whether Saddam had successfully transacted for the uranium elsewhere. Wilson did prove that they certainly wanted to buy it, probably with the vast sums of cash the Oil-For-Food program generated for Saddam.
In other words, Wilson misrepresented his report in his New York Times article. Nor would this be the last of Wilson's unethical actions, or even the first.
Prior to the publication of this piece under his own name, Wilson -- who once demanded to see Karl Rove frog-marched for allegedly leaking his wife's status -- leaked the then-classified intelligence to the Washington Post. The Post ran an article critical of Bush's use of the Niger report on June 12, 2003, for which Wilson admitted he supplied the data. The SSIC found that his input to the Post was inaccurate, at the least:
The worst came after the revelation that his wife worked at the agency and reportedly got the CIA to pick Wilson for the Niger investigation. Wilson has repeatedly denied this, claiming that he had no idea how the agency selected him, but that his wife had nothing to do with the assignment. The SSIC also found that this was less than truthful -- and that she had already reached a conclusion about the reports before Wilson even left:
Plame didn't just suggest Wilson in an off-hand manner; she presented him both in debates and in memoranda as her choice for the mission. She then contacted him and made the arrangements to bring him into the CIA. She also characterized the report on which his mission was based as "crazy". Does that sound like something Wilson was likely to have forgotten or not known?
Now think about the Walter Pincus article for which Wilson provided his slanted and untruthful information. Wouldn't Pincus wanted to have known how Wilson got this assignment? I would presume that Pincus would have at least asked Wilson to explain it. Did he tell Pincus the truth, or lie to him as he did afterwards with the public? If he told Pincus the truth, could Pincus have been the source for Novak?
It would appear that the ambassador has a serious problem about jumping to conclusions, and cherry-picking his facts in order to support those conclusions. That's the most charitable conclusion that the SSIC report can produce. Otherwise, it looks more like Wilson has repeatedly lied and deceived the press and the American public about his report to the CIA, and has done so for highly partisan purposes. That anyone could take him seriously as a source only shows the desperation of the Left in finding some way to discredit the Bush administration.
Then, of course, they have the problem with Valerie not actually being a covert agent, as defined in the statute that was supposedly violated.
I love it! Byron York calls the filing a "Left Wing Blog with a Legal Caption."
Funny.
I think her and Ann Coluter look alot alike.......![]()
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I think she's had some, uh, "disguise" work done. You know how those secret agents are.
I do notice that no one is explaining Joe Wilson's lies...
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