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How come these pseudo-Christians who predict the Rapture to the second never lose their credibility when they wake up the day aftyer and nothing has happened?
Damn you Hagee!!(in best jon stewart style)
Can we cut the bible prophesy and end of the world crap? Shame on you KTSA for having such rational illuminaries as doomsday prophet Pastor Hagee on primetime radio to scare the out of the older folk a couple of day ago.
How come these pseudo-Christians who predict the Rapture to the second never lose their credibility when they wake up the day aftyer and nothing has happened?
Haven't heard about this but yes, shame on Hagee if he claimed to know what God says "no one, not even the Son of Man (Jesus), knows" i.e., the Day or Hour of Christ's second coming"
Damn you Hagee!!(in best jon stewart style)
Can we cut the bible prophesy and end of the world crap? Shame on you KTSA for having such rational illuminaries as doomsday prophet Pastor Hagee on primetime radio to scare the out of the older folk a couple of day ago.
On the other hand, if you're right with God there should be no fear.
God has a simple plan for removing this fear...
Hagee called this the time of the 'false peace'. All the bad stuff comes later.
Scripture has this to say; 1 Thess. 5: 1-3
1 Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, 2 for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 While people are saying, "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.
<I don't think we've hardly reached the place on planet Earth where the perception is that "peace and safety" rules and reigns.>
I'll add the rest of the verses that are relevant to the topic for those that are interested.
4 But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. 5 You are all children of the light and children of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness. 6 So then, let us not be like others, who are asleep, but let us be awake and sober. 7 For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, get drunk at night. 8 But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet. 9 For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Of the 2000 different surviving versions of the bible manuscript only, 200 or so actually had the book of revalation in it, as it was veiwed as being cotroversial, and not in line with real christian teachings.
The world is full of many great Christians who serve humanity well with their kindness, humility, and charity. Hagee is not one of those people.
He also doesn't know scripture very well.
In 2003 the San Antonio Express-News reported that, in 2001 alone, John Hagee had received over 1.25 million dollars in total compensation for his position as CEO at his non-profit corporation Global Evangelism Television (GETV). This made him one of the highest-paid televangelists in 2001. [5]
According to the Form 990 that GETV filed for tax year 2003, Hagee that year received almost a million dollars in compensation for his work for GETV, which amounted to approximately 16 hours per week. [6] Because he worked "80 hours a week" writing books, singing songs, meeting international dignitaries and answering the call to preach the word of God, John Hagee said: "I deserve every dime I'm getting." One internet critic, also an Evangelical Christian, has an open letter to him. [7]
And while watchdogs and outside observers may feel differently, many of his church members, upon learning about his compensation after services, agreed with Hagee's assessment that he was worth every dime.
In addition to his work for GETV, Hagee supplements his income with the profits generated by a number of best-selling books he has authored.
Hagee said he was certain his finances complied with IRS requirements because he hired tax lawyers and accountants to make sure that his books complied with tax laws. He said he is prepared for the IRS, if ever it decides to conduct an investigation.
Hagee said, 'We want a set of books so that when the IRS comes in here and looks they'll say, those people are clean,'" Hagee said. "And I am waiting for the day that the IRS is going to come look at our books. I have spent a chunk of money waiting for them." [5]
I guess the same reason that dimm-o-craps keep voting for dimm-o-craps.
I remember some E-N report about a year where Hagee and his wife paid themselves about $2.5M/year. Obviously, no vow of poverty.
Also very obviously, gluttony is one of 7 Cardinal sins he takes a pass on.
"The Business of America is Business", and "Religion" is a huge business.
That's why.... cause maybe they were never Christians to begin with...
Prophecy, and the Appocalypse are very subjective subjects.... all that's for sure, is that no one knows the day, the hour, or the minute of the coming of Jesus... or the end of the world for that matter... Sure, there are 'signs' but he who claims to know the day is a false prophet....
yeah peace my ass.... there are wars and rumors of wars everywhere..... lol...
If there is, in fact, a Rapture, you can be sure Hagee's fat ass will still be here afterwards.
Hagee has decided he is gonna do everything he can to make sure the rapture happens...
AntiwarEvangelical "Christians" are part of the propaganda show. Three thousand of them, under the lead of the Rev. John C. Hagee, are heading to Washington for a "Washington/Israel summit" to demand, needlessly, that the neocon Bush regime show "stronger support for Israel."
Present at Rev. Hagee's "Washington/Israel Summit" will be Israel's former Minister of Defense, Lt. Gen. Moshe Ya'alon, Israeli Ambassador Daniel Ayalon, Republican National Committee Chairman Ken Mehlman, Republican Senators Sam Brownback and Rick Santorum, the Rev. Jerry Falwell, and Gary Bauer.
David Brog, former chief of staff for Republican Sen. Arlen Specter, has gone to work for Rev. Hagee. Brog, who is Jewish, says he works for Hagee's evangelical enterprise because "we're bringing into a pro-Israel camp millions of Christians who love Israel and giving them a political voice. Israel's enemies are our enemies, and this group instinctively understands that." Brog goes on to say that Hagee's evangelicals understand that they are not supposed to talk about Jesus, only about saving Israel: "Christians who work with Jews in supporting Israel realize how sensitive we are in talking about Jesus. They realize it will interfere with what they are trying to do."
Gentle reader, is this an admission that evangelicals have set aside Jesus for war? Do these bloody-minded evangelicals really believe they will be wafted to Heaven for helping Israel involve the U.S. in more war? Have evangelicals forgotten that "an eye for an eye" is Old Testament? "Turn the other cheek" is New Testament.
That's what I was thinking. I thought the deal was "spread the word" no matter how annoying or Moonie-like they became.Gentle reader, is this an admission that evangelicals have set aside Jesus for war?
Don't judge the many on account of the few...
I am just wondering. Why is everyone so upset about Hagee? Doesn't he have
his congregation? Are they upset?
Is it that some on this board are very, very jealous or envious?
It is just a thought.
One thing more, do you really think he or his congregation cares what you think?
XRay... this doesn't help.
Hagee's brand of teaching (on this front) is counter to the biblical teaching regarding the subject. They should know better than to meddle with Middle East politics... and in doing so provocate a further alienation the Christian community.
It's not the best way to fight this fight... or should I say, not the best way of supporting Israel.... We are called to pray for Israel... not join them in arms (especially at the whim of Israelli leaders who lack the ability to seek wisdom from above).
I have no desire to engage you on the interpretation of the bible. There
are upteen hundred religions in this world, all based on their reading of
the bible. All claiming to be the true religion.
I would hazard a guess that Hagee has as many rights as you and I have
in expressing his view on any subject. I, nor you, have to agree with him.
Just a I don't agree with Jesse Jackson shaking down industries and claiming
to be a religious leader. But that again is my opinion and you don't have
to agree with that.
But I do think much of what I have read on this board is not because
some disagree with Hagee, but because they are jealous of the influence
he has with people. And the influence cant be denied. He has the
followers to prove it. Just as Jesse does.
I'm not claiming to have superior interpretation... but regarding this subject --- it's really not up for debate... JESUS said, 'no man, knoweth the time or the day of the coming of the Son of Man'
So why would Hagee know? When not even the Angels in heaven do?
The fact that he has followers means nothing. Especially in light of the fact that his teaching on this front is erred -- according to the Bible and not to me. Cause really, how else could you interpret the quoted scripture above?
Did Hagee not learn from the Jehova's Witnesses movement who also did this very stunt...4...5... 6... times? man, I've lost count. This is truly discrediting to the Christian community. And so you better believe that I wouldn't want to be associated with him or his teachings... nor should any other Christian for that matter.
^^Have it your way. You will with or without my permission.
Have a nice day and week. I have no quarrel with you or your religion, about
religion.
One think I feel sure of: When the day of judgement does come, I think that you
will find people of all faiths there. Christians, Jews and Muslims or whatever.
I think you will find the bible says there is only one unforgivable sin. Not believing
in God. How someone finds God is very personal and no man can be the judge
of that. My final word.
You're right. I was also jealous of David Koresh, but I doubt his followers cared.
What a ridiculous set of questions. Maybe Christians don't like people like Hagee being figureheads for what non-Christians don't like about our beliefs.
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