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I think the Spurs are in fine shape as well. However, approx. 60% of posters here are convinced that it's the end of the world.
So far, we've lost Nazr and Rasho. We've gained Vaughn, Melzer, Bonner, Williams. We have a good chance of getting Butler and Elson. Assuming we get the last two,in particular Butler, I think the Spurs have done pretty well so far. As Pop said,how much more improvement do you need to get the extra point that would have made the difference last season.. if these guys live up to their potential and contribute even a little bit, I think the Spurs will be in good shape. Plus, we can look to a couple more trades IMO.
I think the Spurs are in fine shape as well. However, approx. 60% of posters here are convinced that it's the end of the world.
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we need to do better. we are trying to get a championship...not fill out roster spots
This summer comes down to whether they get Butler or not. Without Butler, this summer will go down as poor. With Butler, it'd be a pretty decent summer.
I'd still like to see Barry traded for a longer and younger player either way.
I'm not going to ridicule you for being too optimistic like many posters likely will. I don't see things as rosy, but for some reason this offseason has turned everyone into a worry wart. Believe it or not, there are also other people around who think more highly of the Spurs' offseason so far than you do. I'm going to remain patient and see what's up come mid-October...stressing out before then is just kind of pointless in my view. I think there are questions more important than whether the Spurs pick up a long athletic three or sign some European post, like: What is going on in Manu's head? How is he going to respond next year? Is Tony going to keep up the pace? Will Tim continue to slip like he did in the regular season, or will he bounce back and dominate like he did in the playoffs? All of those things are worth contemplating. Who we throw our MLE and LLE at seem like a pretty minor things compared to those questions.
Co-signed. Butler's here? All's right with the world. Butler's gone? Potentially long season.
Would also like Barry traded, but likely it happens mid-season or next summer.
Right now, nothing much has changed.
If Butler is matched, we'll have to see what happens.
I think people are more concerned about the other teams in the league getting better next year. Heat will be at least as good w/ Wade continuing to dominate. Cavs could give anyone trouble w/ Lebron. Bulls could be contenders. Rockets could be good w/ Yao and T-Mac healthy. Mavs will still be young but have even more experience than last year (though it's really just more experience choking, which they have plenty of already). Phoenix could be really good w/ a healthy Amare, etc.
So in short, I think we are just staying even so far this offseason, whereas a lot of teams seem to be getting a lot better.
We lost Rasho and Nazr, got nothing in return. Bonner I don't know about, never seen him play, I don't know how he'll be here. From what I've heard we got Bonner who is supposed to legit and and two rookies, Butler and Elson, who are supposed to be good. We didn't sign Javtokas or Scola and IMO our Frontcourt is weak. The backup guards are another thing as well. Finley played great, but I don't wanna see Barry playing like he did last year during the regular season. We have no legit backup PG and no SF either. Looks poor to me.
Yeah, I agree with that. It worries me too to a certain extent.
Not to hijack this thread, but I was listening to the Ticket in Dallas on Friday morning and (even though I'm sure someone else has posted this someone on this forum), here was the gist:
Every great championship team has had a money guy who turns it on in the fourth quarter: Wade, Duncan, Billups, Kobe, Jordan, Olajuwon, Isiah, Magic, Bird, etc. Dirk Nowitzki is not one of those. He's more like (and I'm using this guy's words here) David Robinson, a guy who can be a franchise player but can't get it done in the clutch. The only way a player like that ever wins is when he becomes a complimentary player to a bigger star who can get it done in the fourth. "Dirk is overrated." (That's a direct quote from a respected Mav commentator on a Dallas sports radio station.)
The reason I bring this up is that Dallas definitely did not go out and find someone who can take over a game when it matters most, so I'm not really worried as much about them. The Spurs had two of those types of guys two years ago, and this year, one of them just didn't come through. How he responds will determine more about this upcoming season than whatever scrub ends up getting minutes at 5.
Nick Van Exel was our backup point guard last year. I could have been a better backup than him. And still, we were likely one foul away from a le.
We had a slow, plodding Finley who took a long time to fit in to his role on the team, and had many many many ty nights. And still, we were likely one foul away from a le.
We had our superstar, the savior of our franchise, hobbling around on gimpy feet all year long, dropping his average in every important statistical category except assists. And still, we were likely one foul away from a le.
We had a bevy of injuries, an inconsistent center, and a great big target on our backs all year long. And still, we were likely one foul away from a le.
If all of that can go wrong and the Spurs can still be one foul away from a le, Jackie Butler, with a career scoring average of 5.2 ppg in 13 mpg, is not going to be the difference between success and failure.
Then everybody should stop complaining when Beno turns the ball over at halfcourt and when Barry's shot isn't going, also I don't wanna even think what's gonna happen when Tony or Manu are injured or Duncan, since there is nobody to replace either one of them to 1/2 of their capability.
Finley I'm not worried about, he showed during the playoffs he's meshed in and knows what he has to do.
Horry's gonna be useless until the playoffs and even then hopefully he'll be his former self.
Oberto can't say too much of him. He didn't play.
Nobody here knows how Butler and Bonner, maybe Elson will pan out here on the Spurs, they may do worse than Rasho and Nazr or they may play better.
Yeah, I hear a lot of that. I just want everyone to realize that Beno turning the ball over at halfcourt probably won't be as aggravating to watch as Nick Van Exel's six minute stints twice a game. If I see another Spurs take four dribbles past half court and jack up a three, I'm going to ing explode. Say what you will about the tenants of small ball, at least there's one thing that all of us can agree on: Nick Van Exel blew hairy donkey balls and the team is better off without him. I'd rather have a blind deaf and dumb pinball wizard playing backup point guard than Nick Van ing Exel.
The jury is out on the Spurs at the moment. Will they get a Center? How good will he be? Will Duncan have to move to Center?
This team is not as ..... prepared for a championship run then last year. The pieses are not in place, they have not played together etc.
If Bulter signs and then plays well then this off-season is a wash ... if not then it is a step back.
As for one foul from a le, you were out in the second round, not the third, and not in the NBA Finals. You were down 3-1 and the Mavs missed a last second tip-in to send you packing 4-1 .... That is how close you were to losing badly.
You were one foul from the West finals, and one tip-in from exiting 4-1 in the second round.
The Spurs do not need to "hold the line" they need to improve. If you lose in the second round, you are not "almost Champs" you are the same as the Clippers, Cavalers and Bulls .... a second round team.
The Spurs are making the kool-aid and some of you are drinking it instead of looking at what happened last year and looking at the needs of the team.
Look up Butlers stats, look up Elsons stats, look up Williams stats, look up Bonners stats ... Look them up instead of reading the company line and see what you are getting.
You have won Championships before you should know what it takes to win.
You know what the team needs.
Does the team need a pair of career 19 minute/game Centers? Does the team need a 34 year old Williams to back up Bowen and Manu?
Open your eyes and put the kool-aid down.
I will not post on this thread again, just look it up .... you know what it takes to win a Championship .... are these guys it?
The Spurs won the le in 2003 with more question marks going in than this team has.
nazr and rasho were ing trash. we'll be ok
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Just to let you know - I'm not going to put up with this bull in here.
rasho and Nazr in the Playoffs were nothing, so nothing - nothing = 0, and 5 millions of difference
when you have tim, manu, and parker it won't be a long season, maybe a short playoffs but it will not be a long season no matter what happens with butler
and i would like brent traded too, but i don't care for who, just as long as this passive isn't with the spurs anymore it's all good for me
Roll players don't win or lose championshipsI will not post on this thread again, just look it up .... you know what it takes to win a Championship .... are these guys it?
He would agree.
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