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As if anything they sign is worth the paper it's printed on.
Video of this exchange here.
Senator John Kerry showed up at the very last minute of yesterday's hearing and it turned into a barbed exchange about the Bush Administration's attempt to engage North Korea in 6 party talks:
John Kerry: This has been going on for five years, Mr. Ambassador.
John Bolton: It's the nature of multilateral negotiations, Senator.
John Kerry: Why not engage in a bilateral one and get the job done? That's what the Clinton Administration did.
John Bolton: And, very poorly since the North Koreans violated the agreed framework almost from the time it was signed.
Priceless!
As if anything they sign is worth the paper it's printed on.
Actually the North Koreans had inspectors in the country when Clinton was in the White House. There violations accelerated when the current resident seized power.
The things that have happened lately have been under this incompetent bunches watch.
That's not true. North Korea has already admitted to abandoning the agreed framework the minute Jimmy Carter boarded his plane back to Peanutville.
You need to pay attention.
Besides, there were incompetent inspectors in both Iraq and North Korea during the Clinton Administration. Apparently they missed a whole lot.
I call bull .
Neither side lived up to that agreement, and now neither side has any faith the other will follow a new agreement.
Under Clinton things worked better. Simply, by talking to NK stalls them more successfully than the current groups miscalculation.
For North Korea to be as far along as they are they would have had to resume their Nuclear Program soon after signing the Agreed Framework.
Surely you're not suggesting that our exposing their Nuclear program in 2002 meant that it just began? That's beyond naive.
Clinton was all symbolism over substance. Talking to North Korea allowed them the time to develop their Nuclear Program.
And what are we doing now?
Apparently we're squeezing the missiles out of North Korea.
are we hoping NK is going to test fire all it's missles so there are none left to put nukes on?
in the meantime, we talk -- the only difference is we have a bunch of other guys at the table with their own agendas.
Actually, the U.S. and its allies have been exerting increasing pressure and sanctions on North Korea since the discovery of an extensive North Korean counterfeiting scam.
in the meantime, we talk -- the only difference is we have a bunch of other guys at the table with their own agendas.
The increased sanctions are thought to be what pushed NoKo into launching it's missiles as an act of defiance.
It's been called the Python Strategy.
Here, I'll let Austin Bay explain it to you.
I am familiar with the strategy.
To what end though?
More talk?
None of this is what this thread is about.
Yoni, I talked to Ann Coulter and she said your fixation with Clinton has sexual overtones.
You implied nothing was being done and I just showed you that there was much more than Jimmy Carter trips and sweeping it under the rug going on. That's all.
The end will be that North Korea will eventually be defanged. Possibly without an all out war. Isn't that preferable?
What does defanging mean?The end will be that North Korea will eventually be defanged.
Okay, they won't have a nuclear weapon capability and they won't be a threat to their neighbors.
And you trust Kim to live up to any deal he's forced into?
No. Unless there are severe consequences. And, I'm sure there will be. Just ask Saddam Hussein.
So, all out war. Against someone who actually has a nuke or two.
Great.
Who said the consequences would be the same? Just that they would be severe.
Ask Khadafi what worked for him. Maybe Kim Jong Mentally-Ill can be persuaded by means other than invasion. I'm betting he can.
You mentioned Saddam -- why would you do that if you weren't talking about war?Who said the consequences would be the same?
If you wanted to me to ask Khadafi don't tell me to ask Saddam.
To say that severe consequences can be delivered...whatever form they take.
What more could we do to NK short of military action?
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