how many people died in iraq today?

[thepeopleslawyer]

and why the are we still there and when the are our boys coming home?

[ChumpDumper]

66.

I don't know about the rest:

Gen. George Casey said Iraqi troops were on course to take over security control from U.S.-led coalition forces, a move that would bring the foreign forces a step closer to withdrawal from the country.

"I don't have a date, but I can see over the next 12 to 18 months, the Iraqi security forces progressing to a point where they can take on the security responsibilities for the country, with very little coalition support," he said.

That takeover would not mean U.S. troops leaving immediately. It is part of a U.S. military plan to hand over responsibilities, move into large bases and provide support while Iraqis take the lead. A U.S. drawdown would start after that occurred.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060830/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq

Someone tell Gtown the plan got out.

[mookie2001]

This war was a mistake.

[Ya Vez]

so the goal of the american military in iraq is to have 0% violence....

[boutons_]

"0% violence."

Pull that straw man out of your ass, did ya?

Only you say the goal is "0% violence", whatever the that is.

Serious, intelligent people see that Iraqi civilians murdered at rate of 40K - 50K per year after 3+ years after padded-crotch claims Mission Accomplished is not "progress" towards a pullout.

Stay the course is a 3-word slogan that stretches dubya's vocabulary, it's not a strategy for fighting an insurgency.

[Clandestino]

how many people died in texas today?

[Nbadan]

We can't pullout now, les Iran annex Iraq, at least the Southern Part. Can you imagine an Iran now with that much oil to influence regional and global opinion?

What we need immediately is new leadership in this war and the war on terra. Everyone from Rummy down should be gone in the DOD.

[E20]

how many people died in texas today?

If you don't care about the Iraqi people, which you probably don't (99% Conservatives), then you shouldn't care about the Iraq war and you should have never supported in the 1st place, because that's why we are there, to protect the Iraqi people.

[boutons_]

"to protect the Iraqi people."

Colin Powell told the UN it was because of mobil weapons labs,
dubya said it was WMD,
head said it was because Saddam did the WTC.
etc, etc, etc.

[AFE7FATMAN]

We can't pullout now, les Iran annex Iraq, at least the Southern Part. Can you imagine an Iran now with that much oil to influence regional and global opinion?

What we need immediately is new leadership in this war and the war on terra. Everyone from Rummy down should be gone in the DOD.

Excellent post. 100% agreement.
The big mistake was in supporting IRAQ against Iran in the first place.
We should have supported the UN and got them to stop the WAR between the
two.

I don't see how we are going to accomplish our goals in IRAQ, whatever they are today

If you don't care about the Iraqi people, which you probably don't (99% Conservatives), then you shouldn't care about the Iraq war and you should have never supported in the 1st place, because that's why we are there, to protect the Iraqi people.

Protect the Iraq people, from Whom, themselves?
Invaders from Syria?
Invaders from Iran?
Muslem Fanatics?

Can IRAQ be divided up so that there is no civil war, and the Kurds
get their own country, without totally pissing off Turkey, India, Iran, etc
and can we get the OIL? I wouldn't want Iran to get that. Maybe the new countries could share the resources from the former IRAQ? and than I woke up.

[velik_m]

Why would India be pissed off if Kurds get their own state?

[101A]

...
...We should have supported the UN and got them to stop the WAR between the two...

I don't really have any problem with your post, but that line makes me laugh - I mean, the U.N. has always had SO much influence in matters like that. , look at how Iran is coming in line with what the U.N. says about its nukes...

[DarkReign]

I don't really have any problem with your post, but that line makes me laugh - I mean, the U.N. has always had SO much influence in matters like that. , look at how Iran is coming in line with what the U.N. says about its nukes...

...he does have a point. The UN is notoriously ineffectual (without US support).

[George Gervin's Afro]

It's very simple now Bush and the GOP who support the troops better are using those same troops as bait.. very noble for even chickenhawks.. with friends like the GOP why do our troops need an enemy?

[ChumpDumper]

how many people died in texas today?

There's a civil war in Texas?

Roadside bombs?

Political assassinaitons?

[George Gervin's Afro]

There's a civil war in Texas?

Roadside bombs?

Political assassinaitons?

no we invaded Texas because they posed a threat to our freedoms..

[Ya Vez]

There's a civil war in iraq?

[ChumpDumper]

How many people would have to die before you would call it a civil war?

[Ya Vez]

I guess no one told the iraqi kurds there was a civil war going on...

[boutons_]

Even dubya uttered last week "civil war". I sure Rummy was tickled, goshdarnit.

40K - 50K annual rate of civlian deaths between Sunni and Shiitte is inargualbly a sectaran civil war, a war between civilians, compounded by militias, and Iraqi army/police forces infiltrated by militia.

[ChumpDumper]

I guess no one told you that kurds aren't the only group in Iraq.

When would you call it a civil war?

[boutons_]

Iraqi Kurds must participate before the civil war is accepted as such by the red-state dubya suckers?

A civil war between Shiite and Sunni sects is not sufficient to be a civil war?

[Ya Vez]

A little something from the backhanded compliment file: In the Senate Appropriations Committee hearings that are taking place this morning, Senator Robert Byrd (D-WV), who was apparently channeling the Pentagon press corps, just said in his opening statement: "[i]n recent days, Iraq has only narrowly escaped descending into civil war, and top administration officials admit the threat of civil war is still real" and "Iraq continues to teeter on the brink of a civil war." Byrd wanted to know what the plan is to respond to a civil war, should one occur. He asked, "How can we avoid it?" The answer is, of course, by doing what we're doing, which is not what Byrd wanted to hear. And here's the crux of the issue: despite the Senator's best efforts to put the worst possible face on the situation, he couldn't declare that Iraq is in a civil war. As disappointing as that state of affairs apprears to be for Senator Byrd, given what Iraq has endured in the last few weeks, it is a victory for the Iraqis and for the US Armed Services.

[Ya Vez]

so civil wars are bad... I mean it took a civil war in this country to end slavery... didn't it..?

[ChumpDumper]

So you want a civil war in Iraq.

Civil war in Iraq is a good thing to you.