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What else is left?
Melvin Sanders, Jamar Smith, Rich Melzer will reportedly be there.
Who else should get invited to Spurs training camp?
Last edited by Kori Ellis; 09-04-2006 at 10:03 AM.
What else is left?
Isnt that Meltzer guy the one the Front Office like to be our needed long three? Any info on him Kori?
Bonzi Wells
He's too busy crying about wanting to be a King again like T.O. in Phila.
I don't know much about him. Most of the Aussie/NZ posters who had seen him play said he was a selfish guy who chucked up a lot of shots. But he didn't appear that way in summer league. His wingspan alone should give a shot in the league.
Melzer, Rich Pre-draft measurements
no shoes 6' 7.5''
with shoes 6' 8.75''
weight 229
wingspan 7' 2''
reach 8' 11''
we need to quit stringin this melvin sanders fellow along
Nice le.
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David Robinson
I would think the Spurs might look at DerMarr Johnson or Matt Barnes for the minimum (both are still unsigned). I heard 'Skita was invited to Sonics camp (I know some people here like him for some reason).
It's strange how many unrestricted FA's aren't signed yet.
http://www.nba.com/transactions/movement2006_name.html
Maybe the Spurs could snatch up one of the available vets rather than have a project guy for the last spot.
The last news I heard on DerMarr Johnson was that he was in talks with Maccabi.
It's quite usual that american players who are quite young and good are me-first instead of team-first players when they play overseas. Their main goal is to have good stats to get some calls from NBA or great european championship.
However, it doesn't mean that they can't be unselfish role player in nba. The best example is maybe Bruce Bowen : when he was in France he was a great scorer (25ppg). His coach has said that it was difficult to coach him because he was only interested by drawing attention from nba's scouts.
I don't see Spurs keeping a player with a non-guaranted contract after the training camp for the same reason than last year : Spurs are $500K over the Luxury Tax threshold. If they keep a 15th player, they will lose flexibility to get under the threshold via a trade during the season.
If Eric Williams has still something left in the tank, Spurs won't need at all to sign a 15th player, unless they find a very intriguing prospect.
DerMarr has the length and shooting ability, but he's not even a better rebounder than Bowen. He had some of the ability and inclination before he broke his neck, but seems not interested in crashing the glass now.
I don't see anyone out there to fit the Spurs bill this summer.
Master P.
In all seriousness though, I wish they would end the Melvin Sanders experience, the guy just isn't an NBA player.
Minimum salaries don't count against the cap AFAIK, so the cap reasoning doesn't make too much sense. I'm not crazy about DerMarr or Matt Barnes as much as I used to be. They just haven't done much with their opportunities in the league. I was pleasantly surprised by Jamar Smith at SF in summer league and thought he actually defended better than Melzer at that position. He needs to get a better outside shot but he did appear to be one of the most coachable players on the Toros last season.
I would like to try to get some contingency players like Aaron Miles or Glyniadakis in camp in case we pull some trade that opens up another roster spot, but I'm sure they are getting better shots elsewhere. Otherwise I'm pretty happy with the guys who are coming in.
DJ for the minimum would be really nice.
Karl Malone
Let's get some started. This place has been BORING for two months
Minimum salaries count against the cap and against the Luxury Tax. A minimum salary (that isn't a second round draft pick) counts $745K against the luxury tax this year.
I got the counting against the cap confused with trade value, but why would a minimum salary count $745k when the minimum is $412,718? $745k is what a 3+ year vet counted against the cap at the minimum salary last season. This coming season that figure is more like $771k.
At any rate, I still don't see it as a factor if the Spurs find a player they like. They paid the tax last season when everybody said they wouldn't.
but i thought they were cheap bas s and DIDNT pay it.They paid the tax last season.
Damn, another myth foiled.
$745k is for 2 years this year ($744,551).
The rule is :
Against the cap :
- Players with less than 2 years count their salary.
- Players with 2 or more years count the same amount than a player with 2 years ($744,551).
Against the luxury tax :
- Second round draft pick count their salary.
- Other player count the same amount than a player with 2 years ($744,551) even if they have less than 2 years of service.
They tried to go under the tax last year. The reason why Vroman was send in Atlanta in the Barry trade was to allow Spurs to go under the tax.
It was a huge factor last year : if Spurs haven't kept a player (like Sanders, Scales) during a long period last year before the trade deadline was to keep flexibilty to go under the tax before the deadline with a trade. Spurs haven't kept training camp invite like Ford or Graham too.
Don't forget that being $1 over the tax cost about $3M.
Of course, it won't be a factor if they find a great player but it will be a factor if the player is good but not great.
The only thing that change this year is that Spurs have an easy way to go under the tax before the deadline with a trade like : Eric Williams + cash to pay his remaining salary + 2nd round pick to a team under the cap. Maybe Spurs will keep a player with a non guaranteed contract if Eric Williams sucks during the training camp.
So Jamar and Melzer wouldn't count the amount you said they would against the cap.Players with less than 2 years count their salary.No . Point is they knowingly went over the tax limit getting players they wanted last season. Had Sanders or Ford initially played well enough to justify paying $1.5 million for them according to your figures there might be a point.It was a huge factor last year : if Spurs haven't kept a player (like Sanders, Scales) during a long period last year before the trade deadline was to keep flexibilty to go under the tax before the deadline with a trade. Spurs haven't kept training camp invite like Ford or Graham too.
Don't forget that being $1 over the tax cost about $3M.Or they could just buy Williams out for his salary minus $500k-1 million if his agent thinks he can get another salary this season. If Melzer or Smith look like Derrick McKey, they'll keep one of them. If they look like Sharrod Ford did last season, they won't.The only thing that change this year is that Spurs have an easy way to go under the tax before the deadline with a trade like : Eric Williams + cash to pay his remaining salary + 2nd round pick to a team under the cap.
Last edited by ChumpDumper; 09-04-2006 at 04:44 PM.
Against the cap but not against the luxury tax. They are little differencies between salaries taken for salary cap and for luxury tax. Read the CBA FAQ if you want more details.
They get over the tax by signing Finley. Point is Finley for $2.6M is worth going in the tax area.
It's not $1.5M but up to $4.1M ($400k in salary + $700k in luxury tax + $3M for being $1 over the tax).
Spurs wanted to go under the tax to save $3M and the closer you are from the threshold the easier is to go under with a trade.
$1.1m to be accurate (Spurs are $400k over the tax threshold).
Everything is relative. Point is that the lux tax factor won't help Melzer or Smith case.
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