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    The Demos are having to run ads in Hawaii...


    John Kerry's presidential hopes fade into a vast expanse of watery nothingness...


    http://www.boston.com/news/politics/...esidents_edge/

    HAWAII
    Three groups consider ads to try to trim president's edge

    By Glen Johnson, Globe Staff | October 26, 2004

    WASHINGTON -- A pair of polls indicating that President Bush was slightly ahead of Senator John F. Kerry in traditionally Democratic Hawaii is prompting three independent groups that have been supporting the Democrat to consider advertising in a state whose four Electoral College votes equal that of hotly contested Maine and New Hampshire.

    The Media Fund, MoveOn.org, and possibly Americans Coming Together, are expected to announce as early as today an array of activity, with the first likely to broadcast radio ads, the second possibly airing television spots, and the third possibly joining in the TV ads, according to high-level figures at the groups.

    "We're all trying to figure out is this real or not," said one of the group leaders who spoke on the condition of anonymity. "Hopefully if we put a little bit of money there -- where there hasn't been any spent -- we can shore things up."

    A poll published Sunday in the Honolulu Star-Bulletin indicated that Bush was at 46 percent and Kerry at 45.4 percent. The survey of 559 likely voters, conducted Oct. 17-20, had a margin of error of plus or minus four percentage points. A similar survey in August suggested Kerry had a seven-point lead.

    The Hawaii Poll, taken among 600 likely voters statewide Oct. 13-18 and published in the Honolulu Advertiser on Saturday, indicated that Bush had a 43.3 percent lead over Kerry's 42.6 percent. The survey had a margin of error of plus or minus four percentage points.

    As with the rival poll, Bush's slight edge was a surprise given that Hawaii has supported a Republican presidential candidate only three times since becoming part of the United States in 1959.

    On two of the occasions -- in 1972 with Richard M. Nixon and in 1984 with Ronald Reagan -- it did so when a Republican candidate was seeking reelection, as is Bush this year. On the third, the state voted for Nixon in 1960 over Democrat John F. Kennedy, but the final margin was narrow -- 92,505 votes to 92,364 votes, according to the Hawaii secretary of state's office.

    The surveys also found a relatively large number of undecided voters, 9 percent for the Star-Bulletin and 12 percent for the Hawaii Poll. This offers fertile ground for both campaigns as they battle across the country for every possible vote.

    At the moment, the Kerry campaign has no plans to advertise in Hawaii. Officials believe that the Hawaii poll's showing for Bush, 43 percent, represents the peak vote the president will attain in the state.

    "I don't think the president's vote in the end will ever get higher than his highest horse race number," Kerry adviser Tad Devine told reporters Sunday during a conference call.

    Steve Schmidt, spokesman for the Bush-Cheney campaign, said the campaign has yet to decide if it will begin advertising in Hawaii. "We're aware of the polling out there. We're keeping a very close eye on it as we move down the stretch," Schmidt said.

    Hawaii has an all-Democratic congressional delegation, and Democrats have controlled both chambers of the Legislature since before statehood. In the 2000 presidential race, Democrat Al Gore beat Bush in the state by 18 points. In 2002, though, voters picked a Republican governor, Linda Lingle. She is the first person from her party to hold that office in 40 years.

    In the current campaign, neither Bush nor Kerry has campaigned in Hawaii, but the president has lavished Lingle with praise and invited her aboard Air Force One for part of a campaign swing on the US mainland.

    The independent political committees, known as "527s" for the section of the federal tax code under which they operate, have been analyzing the poll findings and talking with Democrats in Hawaii to assess the true state of the race, as well as whether and how to respond.

    Officials at the groups have decided that it is too late for Americans Coming Together to build a field organization in Hawaii, as it has in other mainland battleground states, so they are near agreement on launching an ad campaign.

    One official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, speculated that Bush is benefiting in Hawaii, as he may be in New Jersey, from the spillover effect of ads airing on national cable television.

    The Bush campaign has "had real persuasion TV, and the Kerry campaign has not," said the official, noting the Kerry campaign has focused its ad budget on local stations in battleground states.

    Glen Johnson can be reached at [email protected].

    © Copyright 2004 Globe Newspaper Company.



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    http://www.usnews.com/usnews/opinion.../mb_041025.htm

    10/25/04

    Hawaii is in play

    By Michael Barone
    US News & World Report

    What's with Hawaii? On Saturday the Honolulu Advertiser came out with a poll showing the state going 43 percent for George W. Bush and 43 percent for John Kerry. On Sunday the Honolulu Star-Bulletin and KITK-TV came out with a poll showing Bush ahead 46 percent to 45 percent on Oahu, which casts 70 percent of Hawaii's votes and is 1 to 2 percent more Republican than the state average. This in a state which Al Gore carried in 2000 by a 56 percent to 37 percent, and in which neither campaign has advertised and which no nominee has visited.

    Actually, these numbers are in line with Hawaii's political behavior since it became a state in 1960. Hawaii has two voting tendencies. (1) It tends to vote Democratic. (2) It tends to support in bent presidents.

    Interestingly, when the statehood issue was before Congress, Hawaii was considered a Republican state; Alaska, it was thought, would be Democratic. It has turned out to be the other way around. Hawaii's two House seats have been won by Democrats in every election except for 1986 and 1988, when Republican Patricia Saiki won the 1st district. Hawaii's two Senate seats have been won by Democrats, except for Republican Hiram Fong, who won one in 1959, 1964 and 1970. Democrats held the governorship from 1962 to 2002, when Republican Linda Lingle was elected. Democrats have had huge majorities in Hawaii's legislature for years.

    Why so Democratic? The main reason is that Hawaii's Japanese-Americans, who make up about one-third of the population, are heavily Democratic. Japanese-Americans, notably Senator Daniel Inouye, built a powerful political machine in the 1950s that swept to power in 1962 and has dominated Hawaii politics ever since.

    But in presidential elections Hawaii tends to vote for in bents, of both parties. In 1964 Lyndon Johnson won 79 percent of Hawaii's votes, far more than the 50.03 percent John Kennedy won in 1960, when running against the in bent vice president, Richard Nixon. Johnson won a bigger percentage in Hawaii than any other state but Rhode Island, where he got 81 percent. In 1968, with the in bent vice president, Hubert Humphrey, as the Democratic nominee, Hawaii went Democratic by a 60 to 39 percent margin. Humphrey ran better only in Rhode Island (64 percent) and Massachusetts (63 percent).

    But in 1972 the in bent Republican president, Richard Nixon, swept Hawaii by a 62 to 38 percent margin. Only in southern states where George Wallace had run strong four years before did Nixon's percentage increase more over those four years. In 1976 the in bent Republican president Gerald Ford lost Hawaii, but only by a 51 to 48 percent margin. In 1980 the in bent Democratic president, Jimmy Carter, lost 44 states. But he carried Hawaii, by a 45 to 43 percent margin.

    Starting in 1984, Hawaii's Democratic tendency tended to outweigh its support-your-in bent-president tendency. Hawaii did vote for Ronald Reagan by 55 percent to 44 percent, But in 1988 it preferred Michael Dukakis to the in bent vice president, George H. W. Bush, by 54 percent to 45 percent. And in 1992 in bency did not work for Bush at all in Hawaii. Prominent Hawaii Republican Orson Swindle was one of the national leaders of Ross Perot's campaign, and Bush won only 37 percent of Hawaii's votes, well below Bill Clinton's 48 percent. In 1996 in bent Clinton won Hawaii by a 57 to 32 percent margin. In 2000 the in bent vice president, Al Gore, carried Hawai by a solid 56 percent to 37 percent.

    But now Hawaii is close, and George W. Bush apparently has a chance to win the state, or to do as well as Gerald Ford. Why does Hawaii tend to favor in bent presidents and lean toward in bent vice presidents? My theory has long been that this tendency is particularly strong in Hawaii's Japanese-Americans. The Japanese-Americans who got into politics in the 1950s had vivid memories of the time not long before when their patriotism and loyalty were questioned. Inouye and other prominent Japanese-Americans served in the 442d Regimental Combat Team, which became the most decorated military unit in U.S. military history. In election after election, Democrats have summoned up memories of the time when the loyalty of Japanese-Americans was questioned and when they proved their patriotism in battle: such appeals helped narrowly beat Linda Lingle in 1998.

    The Honolulu Advertiser noted that many Japanese-Americans in their poll said they were undecided, and that many Filipino-Americans were voting for Bush. Hawaii's large military population may also account for this support of the in bent president. The Advertiser: "'I'm a Democrat but I strongly support what President Bush is doing,' said Jun Elegino, a nursing student at Hawaii Pacific University who serves in the Army National Guard. 'He's my commander-in-chief.'" The Star-Bulletin reported that Filipino-Americans favored Bush by a 56 to 36 percent margin and that half of Japanese-Americans and more than half of Native Hawaiians backed Bush; in other elections these groups almost always vote heavily Democratic.

    It's unlikely that both these polls are flukes. The only two earlier public polls in Hawaii showed the race far closer than in 2000: American Research Group had Kerry leading 51 to 41 percent in September and the Star-Bulletin had him leading 48 to 41 percent just after the Democratic National Convention. So it seems that Hawaii is really in play.

    Now consider this scenario from election night. It is minutes before 11 p.m. Eastern time. George W. Bush has carried Florida but has lost Ohio and New Hampshire, states he carried in 2000. Of the states he lost in 2000 he has won is Iowa. That leaves him with 261 electoral votes. There are six states where the polls have yet to close. One of them is Alaska, whose polls don't close until 1 a.m. Eastern time; that is certain to produce 3 electoral votes for Bush, but those won't be put on the board for two hours. Of the five others, California and Washington seem sure to vote for John Kerry. One, Idaho, will contribute 4 electoral votes to Bush: that puts him at 268. Another, Oregon, with its 7 electoral votes, has mail-in ballots and the results may not be known for several days. And that leaves Hawaii, with its 4 electoral votes. If they go for Bush, which now seems possible but by no means certain, he would have 272 electoral votes, 1 more than in 2000. It's just possible that Hawaii could put Bush over the top.

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    This election is far from over.

    Hawaii rocks!!

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    Most Polls are very inaccuarate because of the growing number of cell phone users, people who don't answer their phones, or hang up on pollsters. Kerry will win Hawaii and the Presidency.

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    Aloha Bush?

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    Most Polls are very inaccuarate because of the growing number of cell phone users, people who don't answer their phones, or hang up on pollsters.
    Nice excuse.

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    Most Polls are very inaccuarate because of the growing number of cell phone users, people who don't answer their phones, or hang up on pollsters. Kerry will win Hawaii and the Presidency.


    This is funny coming from you, when only a few days ago, you were inundating this board is poll results... all in Kerry's favor of course. I remember you acting like Zogby was Nostradamus when he was predicting a Kerry win, but now all of a sudden Bush is in the lead in Zogby polls and now most polls are "very inaccurate".

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    W4A1 143 43CK? Nbadan's Avatar
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    Ummm...I still believe that John Zogby and Harris run the best polls in the business, but given the volitilaty of this year campaign, I don't think any lead for either candidate is really safe, and I think Zogby would agree with me. There are simply to many unknowns in this election for polls to be accurate. The substantial number of new registered voters, the 30 and under vote, and how many people actually turn out for the election are just a few factors that could swing substantial votes one way or the other. I have posted before that if we can get over 52% of registered voters to the polls, Kerry wins.

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    Nice excuse.

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    Most Polls are very inaccuarate because of the growing number of cell phone users, people who don't answer their phones, or hang up on pollsters. Kerry will win Hawaii and the Presidency.
    This, from the poll hound himself?

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    I have family down there, and there is more water cooler talk about Bush being the right man for president for another four years.

    Another factor that could be coming out in the newspaper poll is the fact that there is a of a lot of military stationed there.

    And finally, Hawaii's whole economy revives around tourism. They took a big hit after 9/11, and I'd venture to say Bush's tough talk on terrorism while Kerry pussyfoots around with his global tests isn't going over too well for folks who depend on tourism for their livelihood.

    This poll is amazing, because usually the Demos are a good 15-20 points better than the Republicans. If Kerry loses Hawaii, I think he's ed.

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    Who logged in with Nbadan's screen name?

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    Screw that island... watch when Mr. Floppy loses Minnesota.... Christ almighty... even Walter Mondale won Minnesota!

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    Who logged in with Nbadan's screen name?

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    I can live with it JoeChalupa's Avatar
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    I don't get it.

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    Me neither.

    I blieve this is going to be one the closest elections in history. If you want to convince yourself it's over, then that's fine.

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    Most Polls are very inaccuarate because of the growing number of cell phone users, people who don't answer their phones, or hang up on pollsters. Kerry will win Hawaii and the Presidency.
    We were talking about this Nbadanallah post.

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    Well it's official, Hawaii is a battleground state...Gore and Cheney both scheduled to appear in Hawaii this weekend.

    What's next, Massachusetts?

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    Like I said... Hawaii's entire economy = tourism. I've been down there each of the last 3 years. They took a big hit after 9/11, and you can bet they're voting for whoever they feel will keep them (and America) safer from another attack.

    WTF is Gore gonna do? Cheney will go put the nail in the coffin this weekend.

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    Like I said... Hawaii's entire economy = tourism. I've been down there each of the last 3 years. They took a big hit after 9/11, and you can bet they're voting for whoever they feel will keep them (and America) safer from another attack.

    WTF is Gore gonna do? Cheney will go put the nail in the coffin this weekend.
    Aloha and Mahalo!

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    Hope you guys are right.

    When I see that Bush has won Florida, Pennsylvania, and either Michigan or Wisconsin, Ill feel better.

    Hawaii IMO isnt any big deal, what are they, 8 electorals?

    plus the results from there wouldnt be ready until about what, 10 am Eastern the next day??

    No biggie IMO.

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    Tpark,

    It's big because I've seen quite a few polls showing Bush right now with 266 EV. That four puts him over the top.

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    If Bush thought he could get one vote from a man in MARS he would send a space ship.

    Oh wait I think NASA is working on that already.

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    If Bush thought he could get one vote from a man in MARS he would send a space ship.

    Oh wait I think NASA is working on that already.
    What happened to your call for Facts only Mouse?

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    If Bush thought he could get one vote from a man in MARS he would send a space ship.

    Oh wait I think NASA is working on that already.

    Mouse, they sic'd Gore on Hawaii too. So it looks like the Democrats beat the Republicans on using the extra-terrestrial card.

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