http://cbs.sportsline.com/nba/story/9655561?pf0912
Picking the best at their positions in these CBS SportsLine.com player rankings has been easy so far.
Shaquille O'Neal got a tip of the cap. Coming off a championship, the living legend isn't what he used to be, but he's still the best. Amare Stoudemire and Dwight Howard still have strides to make, while Yao Ming is only now starting to dominate. They haven't surpassed the Diesel yet.
After leading Dallas to its first NBA Finals, Dirk Nowitzki is the power forward of the moment. (Getty Images)
LeBron James, despite his youth, is the game's best small forward. Veterans Paul Pierce and Tracy McGrady have sustained greatness over time, but James is a special case. There should be little argument about that.
At power forward, three of the NBA's greatest players ever loom. That's right, ever. There's Tim Duncan, the machine-like, fundamentally perfect, silent assassin. He came into the league winning and never stopped.
There's Kevin Garnett, who changed how the position is viewed and may be the most gifted power forward in history. Lastly, there's Dirk Nowitzki, the best foreign product to date, 7 feet tall with a Larry Bird-like jumper.
Ranking them entering 2006-07 is impossible, but my job is to try. Yours, likely, is to disagree. Here's how I see the present best at this deep position, from top to bottom:
1. Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas: To be fair, this is his moment, having finally vanquished the Spurs last May and leading his team to its first NBA Finals appearance. At 28, he's in his prime, likely to contend for league MVP for the next few seasons while his team competes perennially for championships. He has changed the game, dominating from the perimeter in a way no 7-footer ever has. As for his defense, he's no longer "Irk" (no D). He's also become more of a leader, though he's still in the feeling-out process with that. There's not enough on his résumé to top either Garnett or Duncan as far as careers are concerned, but he is currently enjoying the better time of it.
Kevin Garnett (Getty Images)
2. Kevin Garnett, Minnesota: I can only defend placing Garnett anywhere but first on this list with the standard "his excellence hasn't delivered a Finals" response. The Timberwolves are likely to be mediocre again this coming year, though K.G. will have more help. It's a shame his career is shaping up this way, because his legacy deserves better. Garnett has consistently excelled defensively as well as offensively throughout his career, but he has only a few years left at his peak.
Tim Duncan, Spurs (Getty Images)
3. Tim Duncan, San Antonio: Last year's playoff run showed he can still bring it at a tremendous level, but that can't altogether overshadow his injury-related slippage. Duncan nursed a nasty case of plantar fasciitis, so it's a testament to his greatness that he averaged 18.6 points and 11.0 rebounds. If I was certain his well-rested foot will be healthy all season, he'd still be at the top of this list. He has proven he's the best of the best by collecting three rings. Unfortunately, there's no way to predict a clean bill of health. Because Duncan is the type who would start thinking about walking away if he can't perform to the best of his abilities, this season will be a big one for him. Hopefully, he tips off his 30s with a resurgence.
4. Elton Brand, L.A. Clippers: He crossed over to elite status last season by elevating his team to an unprecedented level. His MVP-caliber year could be the start of a renaissance for the hapless Clippers organization, which used his sturdy 25-point, 10-rebound averages as the backbone of their improvement. I'll say it here first: If he leads the Clips to the Pacific Division le, give him the MVP.
5. Chris Bosh, Toronto: Don't be surprised if he benefits greatly from his stint on the U.S. national team. After a rocky start, he worked hard and really contributed defense and rebounding. Expect him to be more well-rounded in his fourth NBA season, now that he has grown comfortable with being the franchise player. Playing with buddy T.J. Ford, a pass-first point guard, won't hurt, either. Remember, Bosh is just 22 years old.
6. Jermaine O'Neal, Indiana: Still among the most gifted low-post scorers in the league, O'Neal has fallen victim to nagging injuries that have cut his past two seasons practically in half. If he's absent again this coming season, the Pacers are likely to miss the playoffs. The hope is that he'll grab the reins of a young, revamped Indiana squad and, together with good friend Al Harrington, steer it in the right direction.
7. Pau Gasol, Memphis: If he weren't out until after New Year's, he would have received heavy consideration to move up on this list. He earned that right, blossoming into one of the NBA's best 7-footers. But that broken foot really casts a shadow over the upcoming season, considering the uncertainty over his projected recovery period.
8. Rasheed Wallace, Detroit: Now more than ever, the Pistons will need 'Sheed to assert himself as the team's best player. There are times where he can take over a game, but because he's so unselfish, he has a tendency to disappear. That can't happen with Big Ben gone, because the remaining Wallace must now key the team's defense as well as pick it up on the boards. Offensively, he's still among the NBA's most versatile big men.
9. Antawn Jamison, Washington: He comes off his most productive season as a Wizard, but ranks this far down the list because he doesn't have the size to muscle up and defend his bigger peers. That makes his improved rebounding figures from 2005-06 (a career-high 9.3 rpg) impressive, but still lacking behind the game's truly dominant fours. Jamison is a combo forward who is great at what he does, but due to his stature, faces a ceiling.
10. Chris Webber, Philadelphia: He has two years left on his contract at a rate of more than $40 million dollars combined. That's frightening, but it's at least good to see that the 33-year-old isn't mailing it in. Last season was his best individual campaign in years, and he played in 75 or more games for the first time since 2000 and only the third time in his career. He's not who he was in his prime, back in those first few years with the Kings, but he's still a headache for defenses.
11. Zach Randolph, Portland: If he can ever lose the off-court baggage and discipline his on-court game, he'd be held in higher regard. He's undeniably talented on offense, unstoppable in the post and solid from the perimeter, with range out to about 18 feet. He has become increasingly reliant on his jumper, though, and still has issues with turnovers. Randolph doesn't give you much defensively or on the boards, and needs to commit himself to improving in those areas. He's only 25, so he can still maximize his potential. To his credit, he has been able to make a strong return from the same knee microfracture surgery that has substantially limited Kenyon Martin.
12. Emeka Okafor, Charlotte: The 2005 Rookie of the Year will look to bounce back from a sop re season compromised by ankle injuries. He doesn't have to be the focal point of the offense, but he does have to be more assertive and competent in the post, so any progress he would've made last year in that area was lost. Defensively, he's a beast when healthy, able to control the boards and alter shots.
Schedule
Date Position
Aug. 29 Center
Sept. 5 Small forward
Sept. 12 Power forward
Sept. 19 Point guard
Sept. 26 Shooting guard
Oct. 3 Top 50
13. Boris Diaw, Phoenix: His play once arriving in Phoenix was a revelation. While there's no better place for him, you get the feeling he would've started asserting himself anywhere, given the opportunity. Diaw's passing is on C-Webb's level, combining his European influence with a deft feel for the game. It's going to be fun watching Diaw operate with a year of the Suns system under his belt and a healthy Amare Stoudemire alongside him.
14. Carlos Boozer, Utah: After nearly two full seasons of inactivity, Boozer showed flashes of getting back to his old self. It had been a while since we've seen the traits that once made him so promising, mainly a hard-nosed style and savvy play around the basket. He rarely takes a bad shot and is always active. This ranking might seem generous given his propensity for injury, but he has proven to be a significant asset capable of making a major impact when he's out there. The Jazz are still waiting on some return on the $68 million investment they made a few years back.
15. Troy Murphy, Golden State: He has averaged a double-double in consecutive years, but his numbers declined in 2005-06 and there wasn't as much interest in him on the market this past offseason as the Warriors would've anticipated. Murph doesn't give you much defensively and is a career 43 percent shooter, but he plays hard and can add a wrinkle offensively when he's feeling it from the perimeter.
16. Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Sacramento: After making a career of being the best player on a bad team, 'Reef finally got to the postseason last year and made the most of it, playing inspired basketball. Maybe Abdur-Rahim has been mired without a steady role for too long, but Eric Musselman will find a way to get healthy production from him. Still just 29, Shareef is more than capable of duplicating his career averages of 19 points and seven boards if he gets consistent minutes.
17. David West, New Orleans/Oklahoma City: Coming off his best season as a pro, West finally found his niche playing the pick-and-roll game with brilliant rookie Chris Paul. West is in the mold of an Abdur-Rahim or Jamison in that he's smaller, but that doesn't stop him from mixing it up. As long as his knee holds up, he should continue making steady improvement.
18. Charlie Villanueva, Milwaukee: That 48-point outburst late last season offers a tantalizing view of what could be for Villanueva if he sheds some of his inconsistency. The Bucks believed enough in his promise to part ways with T.J. Ford, so Villanueva will get every opportunity to blossom. With Michael Redd and No. 1 pick Andrew Bogut in place, Milwaukee has the makings of an explosive offense down the road.
19. Chris Wilcox, Seattle: He averaged more than 14 points and eight rebounds in his brief stint with the Sonics after coming over from the Clippers, showing enough to land a new contract. The athletic Wilcox has the physical gifts to be an explosive finisher, rebounder and shot blocker, but has to prove he can be a consistent contributor. He's not stuck behind Brand anymore, so this is his big chance.
20. Channing Frye, New York: One of the few bright spots during the Knicks' season-long nightmare was this rookie's play. He needs to be on the court gaining experience in Year 2 and should benefit from having a more clearly defined role under Isiah Thomas than he did under Larry Brown. Frye has great size, solid post moves and a nice shooting touch, so there's plenty to work with.
Others considered: P.J. Brown, Chicago, Drew Gooden, Cleveland; Anderson Varejao, Cleveland; Maurice Taylor, New York; Darko Milicic, Orlando; Al Jefferson, Boston; Udonis Haslem, Miami; Marvin Williams, Atlanta; Kenyon Martin, Denver; Joe Smith, Denver; Nene, Denver; Kenny Thomas, Sacramento; Kurt Thomas, Phoenix; Tim Thomas, L.A. Clippers; Hakim Warrick, Memphis; Juwan Howard, Houston; Vladimir Radmanovic, L.A. Lakers.
The following aren't even PFs: Dirk, KG (close), Bosh, Villanueva, Jamison, SARs. None of them play well with their back to the basket against like sized players, and none defend well against like sized players posting them up. Every one of them is a tall SF or at best a combo F.
Dirk's true position is PF, he's much too slow to be a SF and KG is also a PF. Bosh is actually more of a PF/C, definately not quick enough and lacks the guard skills to be a 3. The only SF on that list is Jamison.
KG has a pretty good post game, Dirk killed us in the playoffs with his back to the basket, SAR banged in the post for rebounds enough to make me want to vomit in the playoffs...they're 4's. Imagining line ups with them as 3's is too weird.
Your point?Duncan 3rd?
If nothing else, it's absolutely ridiculous to put KG in front of Duncan for any reason in any poll other than one based solely on popularity.
People who do these top position articles clearly are a sucker for stars with bad teams, KG doesn't deserve to be above TD. I gotta get this straight: KG's numbers slip in regular season and he doesn't make the playoffs, TD's numbers barelys lip in regular season even with injury and his numbers are excellent in the playoffs but still fails to beat out KG.
Redirkulous.
Dirk had a better run last season, but in the overall shape of the NBA no one in their right mind would take him over td unless they were paranoid about injuries, which dirk has a better chance of getting one than td.
KG ahead of duncan? lol
i buy that. its totally absurd
but, AS FAR AS WHAT WE KNOW RIGHT NOW, dirk has to beat duncan just because dirk was a beast last year and duncan (aside from the playoffs) licked balls.
but since recent success factors so heavily into this guy's analysis, i find it suspect that he totally glossed over duncan's finals mvp of two years ago (his third) and placed a finals choker of one year ago at the top.
When Riley ball is applied to Dirk all those things said that he has "improved" on doesnt show on the court especially in the clutch. Give me a true warrior/legend Tim Duncan with two sprained ankles and plantar faciitis over Dirk!
Duncan behind Garnett is ridiculous....Dirk is highly questionable in my opinon, just because Duncan does so many things better. But he did beat Duncan last year, so people are bound to give him the higher ranking.
Guys, he's clearly stated that Duncan's ranking is heavily influenced by his injury.
It happened. Why pretend it didn't?
wtf does the media keep on givin KG respect just that he does everything on the court, no point in doin everything on the court fillin up the statsheet if you dont rack up the WIN. i even put JO, BRAND ahead of him, they might have stats, but they are only worried about the win. Duncan should be first or second. Again lebron is gettin major props for no reason after we have been witnesses.....
no chump, its not just the injury. if it were, comments like "hopefully he starts off his 30s with a resurgence" would be moot since he dominated the universe when he got healthy and motivated in the playoffs. there has to be something else. that something else is the mavs-spurs series, which many posters have pointed out doesn't mean as much as this guy tries to make it seem because he choked away opportunities that we all know tim would have never choked away.
maybe what those people's thinking is that the last we saw of duncan, he was averging 34 and 12, while the last time we saw dirk he was choking on dwades (and the refs') s.
i personally believe that the dirk is number 1 because his team beat duncan's. i dont care about the injuries or the loss in the finals.
but other people might care about those things. the point is that the injury thing is not really applicable and too little to base a ranking of this magnitude on
i hear that. but he has no real reason to doubt timmys health, or at least no more reason than he has to doubt that dirk will make it through next season without another ankle injury. the injury factor just doesnt make sense as a criterion, regardless of what this guy may claim.
EDIT: "Unfortunately, there's no way to predict a clean bill of health" is what he says. and yes, there is a slight chance that this is chronic and will flare up again. but timmy sure wasnt playing like a guy with pf at the end of the year, so i dont see why he is THIS concered about it. theres also no way to predict if dirk will miss 10-20 games with various either. i would buy this analysis more if tim had a history of injuries, had serious surjury, or something along those lines.
if it was a recurring thing, maybe i could see questioning tds health. but he scored 41 points and grabbed 15 rebounds at the END of a grueling season and series. i just dont see how you can question his health.
i think (and keep in mind this is just imho) that hes also heavily factoring in the mavs-spurs series. which is fine. but he should say that hes doing that, and then explain why dirks blowjob of a finals WASN'T factored in.
Last edited by withcheese; 09-12-2006 at 10:30 PM.
It's all irrelevant because none of the 3 won a ring. But based on last year's performance, I think the list is pretty accurate. Although you could make a strong argument for Duncan being second, stat wise KG was better mainly because Duncan was injured.
Who is the NBA's best power forward?
35% Tim Duncan
34% Dirk Nowitzki
31% Kevin Garnett
Total Votes: 1380
the nation don't lie
Link? You can't just post bull information without any proof and expect it to be accepted as fact.
go the the link in the first post numb nut
there is a poll going on
numb nut
proof that mavs>spurs is a re
You never stated that you got that information from the link in the first post. For all we know you are making up these numbers off of the top of your head. Next time try stating the source so that it can be verified.
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