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Doesn't he have nine kids? That might be indicative of at least one reason why he feels the way he does.
And no, his opinion isn't worth anymore than yours or mine...he's got only one vote just like the rest of us. BTW, I don't agree with him.
Now this guy is full crapt. He makes a movie to show his faith or whatever like he gives a damn only to make millions to dollars. Where did the money go? To churches or missionaries, or any other rligious charity that he so loved? No, the money went in his pocket and here he is saying stem cell research is a ethical problem?
The only problem is that people are not willing to put aside religion for one second so science could make it possible for some child to get cured from a disease and have a second chance at life.
Doesn't he have nine kids? That might be indicative of at least one reason why he feels the way he does.
And no, his opinion isn't worth anymore than yours or mine...he's got only one vote just like the rest of us. BTW, I don't agree with him.
He's not against Stem Cell research, he's against some of the methods for obtaining embryos.
LinkNEW YORK Mel Gibson says he has an "ethical problem" with Proposition 71 -- the 3 (b) billion dollar bond measure to fund human embryonic stem cell research.
Gibson appeared on A-B-C's "Good Morning America" today and says that he shouldn't have to pay taxes to help fund the cloning of human embryos.
Gibson is Catholic and he directed "The Passion of the Christ," the controversial movie which chronicles the last hours of the life of Jesus Christ. He says he was initially ecstatic when he first heard about Prop 71, but later changed his mind when he learned about what he called an "unethical" research method.
Oh, yeah he quotes this and he's against the "methods." The first thing he mentions is taxes. He wouldn't even give a coulple of dollars to help save a person's life. He mentioned he it was unethical. How? Never has he mention how it was unethical. The only unethical issue to him is that the rich shouldn't be able to pay for nescesary research to save another person's life.Gibson appeared on ABC's "Good Morning America" Thursday and said he should not have to pay taxes to help fund the cloning of human embryos.
I could care less if he has a hundred kids. The point is not many people know the nescesity of stem cell research until they are put in the shoes of a parent of a kid that needs it for a second chance in life.Doesn't he have nine kids? That might be indicative of at least one reason why he feels the way he does.
Elf, he's obviously against some cloning aspect of the research. I think that's fairly obvious if you read the sentence you quoted. You can be in favor of Stem Cell research and not be in favor of cloning embryos for the research.
If you want to argue in favor of the cloning, go for it, but you're completely missing the point here.
Stem cell research is going on all around the world and in the US as well as we type...There are no limits on privately funded stem cell research...this whole issue is not about banning stem cell research. It is about spending tax dollars to terminate human embryo for their tissue. Making the statement that people that are against taxpayer funding of embryo termination means that they are against curing disease is a gross overstatement.
Last edited by CosmicCowboy; 10-28-2004 at 03:21 PM.
Um.. he donated at least $10 million to some hospitals...
She's right...
Now apologize before I mutilate you for my own amusement.
I'm against any more Lethal Weapon sequels.
Oops.
I second that, and call for the burning of LW 2-4!
BTW...don't interpret this as my endorsement of the Bush position, however, it IS a classic example of politics getting involved in science. Unfortunately, truth is the first victim.Stem cell research is going on all around the world and in the US as well as we type...There are no limits on privately funded stem cell research...this whole issue is not about banning stem cell research. It is about spending tax dollars to terminate human embryo for their tissue. Making the statement that people that are against taxpayer funding of embryo termination means that they are against curing disease is a gross overstatement.
Fact #1: We don't even know if stem cells will or will not cure any diseases
Fact #2: We are at LEAST 5-10 years away from finding out.
Fact #3: The Kerry faction made this a political issue NOT to "cure disease" but to paint Bush as a right wing religious extremist.
Fact #4: Stem cells are derived from killing human embryos. Much of this debate centers on CREATING human embryos so they than then be destroyed.
Fact #5: Like it or not, there is a very large part of this country that feels that life begins at conception (embryo creation)
Fact #5: The specific practice that Bush stopped was GOVERNMENT FUNDING of the intentional creation of embryos so they could subsequently be destroyed.
Fact #6: Unused fertilized embryos are routinely created and discarded at fertility clinics when they have redundant fertilized eggs to implant. Bush specifically supports the use of these embryos for research (with the permission of the donors)...is this an incostistent position?...yes it is, but that is typical when politics cross-pollinate with science. The simple fact is that these embryos are going to be created and the unused ones discarded anyway (but hopefully for the parents a new life will result in the process)...which is quasi-different morally speaking than creating life with the specific intention of destroying it...
I don't want to be forced to support embryonic stem cell research.
Indeed.Fact #5: The specific practice that Bush stopped was GOVERNMENT FUNDING of the intentional creation of embryos so they could subsequently be destroyed.
IMHO, I think God gave scientists the knowledge for a reason. A good reason that is.
God gave me a , but according to some religions I can't use it to it's fullest potential.
(did that sound right?)
Very well spelled out Cowboy! Some in here don't even know what all of this about. It's either" I'm for it because Kerry would have Chris Reeve walking by now" or "I'm against it because Bush doesn't want federal funds to be used". I hope everyone takes the time to read your explaination.
Thanks HookDem...
I sometimes just don't understand how people have the computer literacy to find a forum like this, find and post stuff from the politicians partisan "fact mills", continually spout their chosen partys "talking points" and just generally recycle the same over and over...having grown up in an age where "independent" research meant spending DAYS at the public library and HOPING you could glean a few kernels of wheat from the chaff the lack of independent thinking from both sides is appalling...
people...the raw facts are just a google click away...
PLEASE PEOPLE...don't take ANY politicians word for ANY issue...they are counting on your continued ignorance...
These 50/50 elections we are seeing simply prove that NEITHER party is striking the right balance for our country...
OK...I'm off my soapbox now...
As President of the United States, I would sign a law that would ban the practice of Embryo stealing. Federal funds would be limited to research performed with Embryonic cells within the confines of a government approved Embryo Harvesting Farm.
If John Heinz Kerry REALLY believed in that position he and Tahraaaza would have already funded your farm privately...It's a hard job but SOMEONE has to give away a lot of that dead capitalist pigs money every year so they don't have to pay taxes.
Last edited by CosmicCowboy; 10-28-2004 at 05:53 PM.
Duuuuude!!! To churches? You don't have any idea what you're talking about there! He built a Catholic Church in Malibu, with his own money, before the movie came out. He gave $40,000 to a convent in Ohio as well as a special screening of his movie, and who knows how many other Catholic organizations and charities. Gimme a break man.
Mel Gibson donates $10 million to Los Angeles hospitals to aid childrenWhere did the money go? To churches or missionaries, or any other rligious charity that he so loved?
LOS ANGELES - Actor Mel Gibson has donated $10 million that will be split between Mattel Children's Hospital at UCLA and the Cedars-Sinal Medical Center to help care for children from foreign countries, officials said Tuesday.
The donation will help children with serious medical conditions who are unable to be treated in their own countries. The children who will benefit from Gibson's donation will be recommended by Healing the Children.
"For the past several years, the Gibson family has quietly supported Healing the Children's efforts to help sick and injured children around the world," said the organization's founder, Cris Embleton said. "Not only have they given financial support, they also have given their time and hearts and as a result have seen first hand how people working together can give a child the future they deserve.
Dr. Edward McCabe, physician-in-chief of the Mattel Children's Hospital at UCLA, said the gift will enable the hospital to help children worldwide.
"Through this remarkable contribution, the generosity of Mr. Gibson will transform the lives of children throughout the world," McCabe said.
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...9901786.htm?1c
Care to retract? I'm sure I can go for days....
IMHO, stem cell research is needed to advance medicine and these exagerrations about Kerry and Edwards "making the sick walk" is just plain stupid. I can see why Bush doesn't want to spend federal funds for it but I wish he'd also stop wasting federal dollars on the amendment to ban same-sex marriage.
It is not just a simple matter of whether you supprt Kerry or Bush.
Can they do anything with all the foreskins instead of just feeding them to the cats?
mel gibson went crazy awhile back
I hated Mel in Lethal Weapon 4. No way EVER that Jet Li would lose to Melly. In a real life situation Jet Li would beat the crap out of Mel in .4 seconds.
Doesn't matter to me how many churches he built, I still disagree with his opinion on stem cell research and most of everything else. Considering the ridiculous amount of cash he made off The Passsion, he could afford to give donations to hospitals and churches.
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