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    http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/10/18/bc....ap/index.html

    Cult leader says he's too obese for execution

    COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) -- A federal judge on Tuesday delayed next week's execution of cult leader Jeffrey Lundgren to allow him to join a lawsuit by five other death row inmates challenging the state's use of lethal injection.

    In his request to join the lawsuit, Lundgren, 56, said he is at even greater risk of experiencing pain and suffering during the procedure than other inmates because he is overweight and diabetic.

    Similar lawsuits filed in several states have led to the halting of executions in Missouri, Delaware and New Jersey.

    Opponents have argued that the use of the lethal injection is uncons utionally cruel and painful and that the procedure is often carried out without specifically trained medical personnel present.

    But Ohio's method of lethal injection came under national scrutiny by death penalty opponents in May after problems slowed the execution of another inmate who was a former intravenous drug user and the vein the execution team chose collapsed as the chemicals started flowing.

    While Judge Gregory Frost issued an order temporarily delaying Lundgren's execution, he said it appears to him that potential flaws with Ohio's execution process could easily be corrected.

    "Thus, any delay in carrying out Lundgren's execution should and can be minimal," Frost said.

    State Attorney General Jim Petro will appeal the ruling to the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Cincinnati, said spokesman Mark Anthony.

    Lundgren's sentence stems from a conviction for the fatal shooting of a family of five in 1989. The family, which included three children, were killed while they stood in a pit dug inside his barn in northeast Ohio.

    Lundgren formed a cult after he was dismissed in 1987 as a lay minister of the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, now known as the Community of Christ.

    He said passages in the Bible told him to kill the family. Several witnesses said the family was not as enthusiastic about the cult as Lundgren would have liked.

    The family he killed had moved from Missouri in 1987 to follow Lundgren's teachings.

    Frost's decision allows Lundgren to join a 2004 lawsuit brought by death row inmate Richard Cooey, convicted of the rape and murder of two University of Akron students in 1986.

    Cooey argues that the way chemicals used in lethal injection are administered makes the process painful enough to amount to cruel and unusual punishment, in violation of the cons ution.

    Four other inmates had previously joined the lawsuit.

    I say fry the bas .

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    I think life in prison with no chance of parol, ever, is a fate worse than death.

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    a scene from the movie "7even" comes to mind...

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    Seems pretty stupid to me, as far as I understand they give you a drug that knocks you out, and as with any drug dosage can and should be adjusted by weight, either way the typical dosage is something like fourteen times the normal dosage..

    I don't understand how a punishment administered while you are unconcious can be cruel or unusual...

    Sure they had that problem with the collapsed vein, but as the judge said, those problems can be easily corrected...

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    I don't understand how a punishment administered while you are unconcious can be cruel or unusual...


    Exactly, just nock em out and put two in the head, more mess, but it is cheaper

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    My question is, if they consider lethal injection cruel and unusual, then what means would they prefer the state use?

    Here are some suggestions:
    A bullet through the heart
    A stake through the heart
    Knock em out and decapitate them

    I'm being facetious, but come on, these lawsuits are ridiculous!

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    My question is, if they consider lethal injection cruel and unusual, then what means would they prefer the state use?

    Here are some suggestions:
    A bullet through the heart
    A stake through the heart
    Knock em out and decapitate them

    I'm being facetious, but come on, these lawsuits are ridiculous!
    Not to the guys getting a couple more days on the planet

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    My question is, if they consider lethal injection cruel and unusual, then what means would they prefer the state use?

    Here are some suggestions:
    A bullet through the heart
    A stake through the heart
    Knock em out and decapitate them

    I'm being facetious, but come on, these lawsuits are ridiculous!
    They should just get that guy from Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom to rip their hearts out from their chests and show it to them while it's still beating.


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    They should just get that guy from Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom to rip their hearts out from their chests and show it to them while it's still beating.


    Ah boom she boom, ah boom she boom, ah boom she boom


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    "lawsuits are ridiculous"

    that's just the law. You can find a lawyer to turn just about any trick. Even if the suit is dismissed (the lawyer suspects it would be), he gets paid.

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    I think life in prison with no chance of parol, ever, is a fate worse than death.

    Consider, especially in this case, how long a fat-pig diabetic is going to live. Don't waste the appeal money. Throw out his death penalty, put him on a straight Krispy-Kreme regimen and just wait.

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    Ah boom she boom, ah boom she boom, ah boom she boom

    Oh cmon, if youre going to quate the movie, get it right!

    Its...

    "O nump shi-ba
    O nump shi-ba
    ...
    ..."


    The Temple dude says...

    "Galle-maaaa!
    Galle-maaaa!
    Galle-MAAAAAA! Shock-tee-da!"

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    Consider, especially in this case, how long a fat-pig diabetic is going to live. Don't waste the appeal money. Throw out his death penalty, put him on a straight Krispy-Kreme regimen and just wait.

    better yet, just call him a terrorist, no habeus corpus for you

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    Oh cmon, if youre going to quate the movie, get it right!

    Its...

    "O nump shi-ba
    O nump shi-ba
    ...
    ..."


    The Temple dude says...

    "Galle-maaaa!
    Galle-maaaa!
    Galle-MAAAAAA! Shock-tee-da!"

    Oh man, that's good stuff...........my bad. Still thanks for the correction. I hate it when people mis-quote movies and now I'm the guilty party. Shame on me.

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    Correcting the usage of made up words used in a movie?

    Now that's geekdom at its zenith.

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    Correcting the usage of made up words used in a movie?

    Now that's geekdom at its zenith.

    No way, that's Indiana Jones.............ok, so it's a little nerdy, but still, who doesn't love those flicks?

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    I hated TOD easily the worst Indiana Jones

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    "fat-pig diabetic"

    ... which describes about half of San Antonio.

    diabetes is extremely expensive and sinister, esp when the get into cutting off extremites.

    If this flies, I can see many death row inmates eating themselves up to t_pork dimensions.

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    I hated TOD easily the worst Indiana Jones
    I think you have to go with Raiders as it started the whole series.

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    Correcting the usage of made up words used in a movie?

    Now that's geekdom at its zenith.

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    Oh man, that's good stuff...........my bad. Still thanks for the correction. I hate it when people mis-quote movies and now I'm the guilty party. Shame on me.
    Just dont ask for song lyrics, my girlfriend laughs every time I sing.

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