Texas getting much more respect this week, but still a hose job by the computers given how much higher teams like ND and Cal and even Rutgers are in the computers.
OSU-Michigan is setting up nicely... it's pretty amazing that this college football season will likely end up having THREE 1 vs 2 matchups (OSU vs UT, OSU vs Mich, BCS Champ Game)
Team Harris Coach AH RB CM KM JS PW Avg. Total
1 OSU .999 1.000 23 25 24 23 23 23 .930 .976
2 Mich .942 .923 24 24 25 24 24 25 .970 .945
3 USC .926 .933 25 23 23 25 25 24 .970 .943
4 WV .870 .885 15 21 13 10 8 13 .510 .775
5 Aub .742 .748 17 19 18 21 21 17 .750 .747
6 Fla .691 .667 21 15 21 20 20 21 .820 .726
7 Tex .822 .830 10 22 12 11 14 15 .520 .724
8 Lou .759 .765 20 17 16 15 11 16 .640 .722
9 ND .642 .647 18 18 19 18 18 19 .730 .673
10 Cal .608 .586 19 20 22 22 19 20 .810 .668
11 Ten .695 .664 16 12 14 17 17 11 .590 .650
12 Clm .607 .611 11 14 8 9 10 14 .440 .553
13 Ark .471 .444 13 9 10 19 22 18 .600 .505
14 Rut .396 .354 22 13 20 16 16 22 .740 .497
15 BSU .389 .423 14 11 17 14 15 10 .540 .451
And yes... you are reading correctly... 2 of the computer Polls have Rutgers ranked as the #4 team in the country. 2 other computers have Cal ranked #4... ahead of the Tenn team that smoked them... and then there is the computer that has Ark ranked #4.
Well, here's a reason why:
Sagarin SOS rankings
1. USC
2. Washington State
3. California
4. Stanford
5. Washington
8. Oregon
9. Oregon State
17. ASU
18. Arizona
35. UCLA
Amazingly accurate and unbiased.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt06.htm
...i was trying to tell people that USC had the #1 strength of schedule. this weekend WSU beat Oregon, and Cal beat Washington by 7...but UDub did not have their starting QB and threw 5, count it 5, interceptions. the pac-10 also had some tough preseason games as well.
Some friends out of state asked me if I feel like Arkansas is getting screwed.
My answer is no. We lost to the practical #1 team in the country, and beat the #2 at the time. We got lucky (much like Texas did with Nebraska) beating Alabama. The schedule up to @ South Carolina as been reletively easy and our "big time" games are the last few of the season.
It's make or break time for Houston Nutt. Dropping 2 of 3 games to Carolina, Tenn and LSU will have his job.
USC would not be as good as they have been over the years if they faced an SEC schedule john. Keeping that in mind is simply why they are not #1 yet.
Blah blah. Prove it. You can't. Therefore such a statement means nothing. You can make all sorts of lame statemsnts to such.
In '98, Tenn didn't have to play the '2nd best' team because of a hurricane, literally. UCLA should have played for the le, but the game against Miami was postponed due to Hurricane George and played the last game of the season, in which UCLA lost 49-45 on a last second TD. If that game would have been the 3rd game of the season, they would have been higher in the polls and went on to beat Tenn.
In '03, the best team didn't even play in the BCS game. Instead, LSU got to play uo, who didn't even win their own conf.
A P10 team has been in the past 2 BCS game, split them, was the best team 3 years ago, and got 2 teams in 4 years ago. They argueably should have had 2 teams in 2 years ago with the phantom UT leaping of Cal in the human polls after Mack's crying plea.
A B12 team has been in the BCS game the past 5 of 6 years. No SEC team would have been in if they faced a B12 schedule.
How 'bout them Buckeyes!!
Texas squeezed by Nebraska. Nebraska should have won that game.
Sorry for posting this in this forum.
I think he is a very good candidate. Unfortunately, a lot of misinformed voters will take one look at his name and be turned off. In this day-n-age, image is more important than integrity.
why? texas scored more points...isn't that how you win a game? That is what the rules say.How 'bout them Buckeyes!!
Texas squeezed by Nebraska. Nebraska should have won that game.
....lost to the practical #1 team in the country, and beat the #2 at the time.....
So Ohio St was #2?
You go by the rankings with the Auburn example but not the game you lost in Ark. Which is it, you agree with or don't agree with the rankings?
Are the SOS rankings using any type of poll?
If so, then a team that is ranked in the 10-15 range that plays let's say, in the PAC-10 as an example, could stay in that range by playing other PAC-10 teams & just lose 1 or 2 games & still be considered a good team even though the majority of its conference sucking.
Hard to find that as a HARD fact & unbiased.
Try to catch the point instead.
Sorry but if you think the Pac10 is tougher than the SEC any comment you ever have about anything college football is out the window.
Talk about missing the point.
Sagarin's ELO-CHESS ranking is used in the BCS. I have to assume that his SOS plays a predominant role in those rankings.
BTW, he has WSU ranked 17th with 3 losses.
I know, you missed it. That's what I meant to begin with.
Wow, talk about you missing it twice!
OK, let me see if I can make it any easier for you.
Did you even make a point?
Wow... you just ain't too bright when it comes to derriving a point.
Prove that the SEC is the best conf. How many times have they had the best team. How many times have they been in the le game.
And actually the best arguement:
Why wasn't an undefeated Auburn rated ahead of an undefeated SC or uo if the SEC is so much better when most of the computer polls are based on SOS?
Talk about throwing everything you know out the window. You'd think having an OSU grad as your coach, he would teach you guys better.
i like what you said here. while i think the SEC is the toughest conference the fact that an unbeaten auburn team did not make the le game is pretty crazy...though it does not change my mind about the SEC.
...the Pac-10 is underrated and the Big 12 might be underrated as well. it still baffles me that t.u. jumped Cal that year.
we have done this a million times, but i think these are the best conferences:
1. SEC
2. Big 12
3. Big 10
4. Pac 10
5. ACC
6. Big East
...but the margin from the Big 12 to Big 10 to Pac 10 are small. Pac 10 is so underrated every year its laughable. i hate UCLA but wish they had beaten notre dame this week.
Not that the computer rankings hold a lot of weight, but here is how Wolfe and Massey rank the conferences ...
Wolfe
1 SEC I-A 12 5.271 0.372
2 Big East I-A 8 5.222 0.434
3 Pac 10 I-A 10 5.214 0.512
4 Big 10 I-A 11 5.119 0.091
5 ACC I-A 12 4.760 0.136
6 Big 12 I-A 12 4.635 0.366
7 D-IA Indep. I-A 4 4.401 1.204
8 Mtn West I-A 9 3.936 0.322
9 CUSA I-A 12 3.833 0.287
10 WAC I-A 9 3.791 0.428
Massey
1 Pac 10 10 19 9 1.908 2.35 0.00 0.00 0.6385
2 Southeastern 12 30 7 1.876 2.31 0.00 0.00 0.6537
3 Big 10 11 29 11 1.785 2.20 0.00 0.00 0.6333
4 Big East 8 32 8 1.741 2.15 0.00 0.00 0.6977
5 Atlantic Coast 12 26 12 1.570 1.94 0.00 0.00 0.6714
6 Big 12 12 33 15 1.526 1.88 0.00 0.00 0.7052
7 Division I-A 119 68 6 1.476 1.82 0.00 0.00 0.6456
8 1-A Independents 4 14 16 1.443 1.78 0.00 0.00 0.3897
9 Mountain West 9 15 18 1.280 1.58 0.00 0.00 0.7642
10 Western Athletic 9 16 19 1.269 1.57 0.00 0.00 0.6799
Talk about tradition, power and who's better? Matching Pac-10 against SEC is stupid. The Pac-10 gets better each year but doesn't compare.
Or is that what College Gameday said too? Yep sure is.
Besides, you guys wanna take away USC and what do you have? The Pacific Sun Belt.
USC made that conference and continues to make that conference and these other schools getting the $ for it is sad. One team does majority of the work and the others play in the "i'm average" mud.
Oregon, Cal, UCLA, USC then about 6 other nobodies.
In otherwords, California makes that conference.
My point?
Easy.
Comparing the two is juvenille. Shows lack of experience and age in commentation an opinion about the matter.
Put any school in the USC.. I mean the Pac-10... in the SEC... and you will not see an unbeaten ever. You would not even compare the two.
Compare what? Gold to silver? How about no thanks.
And to add.
I'd take even the B-12 over the P-10.
Don't let the USC homerism affect how you guys look at the whole conference.
Don't discount the Big East. They have 8 teams total - 6 (or 75%) of which are at or above .500 (three are 7-0). They are a combined 3-3 vs. the Big 10, 2-1 vs. the Big 12, and 5-3 vs. the ACC (they are 0-0 vs. the SEC and Pac-10).
Once again... prove it. Until you can, and you can't, might as well keep asking yourself what would have happened if the chad were counted in Gore's favor - it's a myth that will never be realized.
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