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    Better than you MajorMike's Avatar
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    is non other than Roy Williams. All hit and no cover. Nice coverage on Shockey. Way to run over the ref. Way hit Jacobs at the line for no gain and let him carry you 5 yards for a critical 1st down late in the game (ala Bo Jackson on the Boz). Also see the coverage that led to the Eagles' 50 yarder, the 2 TDs against Moss last yearto let the Skins beat them,

    Its a good thing he can hit a WR after he catches, because he sure can't stop him from catching it. Even Cowboy fans agree:
    You're going to blame the rookie Watkins for a corner blitz called at the wrong time. What did you expect him to do. That is a high risk play and only works when you actually get pressure on the quarterback. As for ROY don't get me started on the most OVER-RATED defensive player in the NFL. He is supposed to be the leader of this defense and he just let LJ Smith run right on by like he was jogging through the park. I'm surprised L.J didn't wave as he passed him. Another thing don't give me that crap that the defense was confused, when a tight end runs straight up the field who else is going to cover him. There is no excuse and I think we made a big mistake with that contract of his. He will always look for the big hit first and cover second. Sure he will have one or two spectacular tackles a game but how many times is he caught looking in the backfield when he should be paying attention to his assignment. Now go ahead, defend him and give him the PASS he always gets from the fans and the media and vote him to the Pro Bowl.
    saying that roy williams is the best safety in the league is really stretching it. The guy cannot cover. He made one play in college, against TEXAS, and he has been living off that ever since. By chance, any one see the play polamalu made in the playoffs where he was blocked , and still made the play. Roy Williams isn't in Polamalu or Reed's class. Dawkins is a step below them, then Sean Taylor and maybe Williams. He is not even the best Roy Williams in the NFL. I would take Huff from Oakland right now over Roy Williams (S from Dallas)
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    So who's the league's most overrated? There are a lot of name players to choose from, but the winner is Dallas Cowboys safety Roy Williams. He isn't nearly as good as his reputation, which is Lone Star big. Williams played in his third consecutive Pro Bowl after the 2005 season, but he certainly hasn't performed to that level. Williams is a good hitter when in the box, but he struggles in coverage, which is why teams were able to exploit the Cowboys with some big plays last season. Anyone who saw the Cowboys blow that Monday night game to the Redskins saw that Williams can be trouble in coverage. The Redskins twice threw over the top of him for fourth-quarter touchdowns. Sure, he makes those highlight hits. But for every one of those, there's two misses in coverage. That's not good enough.

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    Furthermore, why wasn't there a flag thrown when Roy Williams, the guy they invented the rule for and even included jersey collars into it, tackled Tiki Barber from behind by the neck?

    Also, even if he hadn't run into the ref, past evidence would indicate that there is a 99% chance that he wouldn't have broken up the pass anyway.

    Roy ing sucks.

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    Furthermore, why wasn't there a flag thrown when Roy Williams, the guy they invented the rule for and even included jersey collars into it, tackled Tiki Barber from behind by the neck?

    Also, even if he hadn't run into the ref, past evidence would indicate that there is a 99% chance that he wouldn't have broken up the pass anyway.

    Roy ing sucks.
    he may not have deflected the pass, but he could have put a lick on plaxico to jar the ball loose before he touched down. roy williams isn't the greatest pass coverage safety but he's also not the reason the boys lost by any stretch of the imagination.

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    CaptMike...is it because he is a Sooner or a Cowboy....or both?

    Roy Williams is not a good one on one cover guy...that is why he is a safety and not a CB and is in no way the best at his position in the NFL. Lee is right though...this loss was not on Williams.

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    Furthermore, why wasn't there a flag thrown when Roy Williams, the guy they invented the rule for and even included jersey collars into it, tackled Tiki Barber from behind by the neck?

    Also, even if he hadn't run into the ref, past evidence would indicate that there is a 99% chance that he wouldn't have broken up the pass anyway.

    Roy ing sucks.

    I don't remember the particular play but if he was not the last defender it is not a horse collar. If you do it at the line or in the middle of a bunch of players I do not believe it is considered a horse collar. I would look it up but I don't have time.

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    Actually I don't think jersey collars are included (don't know for sure..if anyone has a link to the rule would help) but I have seen a few players around the league do the horse collar and not get called. The enforcement of the rule has not been very consistent.

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    CaptMike...is it because he is a Sooner or a Cowboy....or both?
    Not a factor, but both.

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    Its all in fun brah...that is why I had the there!

    If I can ask, who is your team?

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    I am a fan, rain or shine. See below.


    Ooops didn't show. See 1st post.

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    My bad...should have looked at the flags....been a tough season for you I bet. Its easy for people to be fans when a team is winning...takes a real fan to stick with it when times are tough. Props to you.

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    Actually I don't think jersey collars are included (don't know for sure..if anyone has a link to the rule would help) but I have seen a few players around the league do the horse collar and not get called. The enforcement of the rule has not been very consistent.

    They included jersey collars at the beginning of this season.

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    I don't remember the particular play but if he was not the last defender it is not a horse collar. If you do it at the line or in the middle of a bunch of players I do not believe it is considered a horse collar. I would look it up but I don't have time.
    I'm looking this one up.

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    The ban states that a horse-collar tackle is an open-field tackle in which a defender uses the shoulder pads to immediately bring a ballcarrier down. The term "open field" means that horse-collar tackles committed near the line of scrimmage will be allowed; in addition, the stipulation of "immediately bringing the ballcarrier down" means that, if a defender begins to bring a player down by the shoulder pads but lets go before the tackle is completed, he will not be penalized.

    I know that jersey collars were added just prior to the season as well. As for the tackle in question, it was a good five to seven yards downfield, however, my blinding hatred of the Cowboys could be changing my memory.

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    He didn't use it to bring them down. He grabs it, and then grabs their legs. In years past, he would grab the collar and hang from it. That's what was banned. Not merely grabbing the collar.

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    He didn't use it to bring them down. He grabs it, and then grabs their legs. In years past, he would grab the collar and hang from it. That's what was banned. Not merely grabbing the collar.

    You know, you are right, now that I'm thinking about it, I did notice it even at the time that he used his other hand to trip up Tiki.

    However, that was still after he pulled backwards on the collar...........alright, I'm reaching now.

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    I thought it was john the great elway

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    johnsmith....I am guessing you are a Broncos fan?

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    roy willaims went to my high school

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    I thought it was john the great elway
    I think that you have reached the highest of retarted heights with this one. John Elway is the single greatest quarterback to every put on a pair of hightops. John Elway owns you, your mom, your mom's mom, and your grandma too. Learn to respect those that have achieved the ultimate levels of awesomeness. JOHN ELWAY = THE GREATEST QUARTERBACK TO HAVE EVERY PLAYED!!!

    No contest.

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    I think that you have reached the highest of retarted heights with this one. John Elway is the single greatest quarterback to every put on a pair of hightops. John Elway owns you, your mom, your mom's mom, and your grandma too. Learn to respect those that have achieved the ultimate levels of awesomeness. JOHN ELWAY = THE GREATEST QUARTERBACK TO HAVE EVERY PLAYED!!!

    No contest.
    replace Elway with Joe Montana and more people would agree. i like Elway a lot, but Montana was perfect in super bowls. it's a toss up between the two imo, slight edge to montana. elway had more talent though.

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    Replace Elway/Montana with Romo and you'll have my vote.

    PS: Romo > Montana > Brady > Elway

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    I lived 4 hours away from denver
    announcers would say he could never get sacked because he was so good
    then when he did it was never his fault


    I do not think he is overrated unless someone says john elway is the best ever
    I said what I did to get a reactionout of johnsmith

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    I'll take Roy on my team any day. Glad he's already on my team.

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    I lived 4 hours away from denver
    announcers would say he could never get sacked because he was so good
    then when he did it was never his fault


    I do not think he is overrated unless someone says john elway is the best ever
    I said what I did to get a reactionout of johnsmith

    Ducks already learned long ago how to get under my skin. Just say something about John Elway, anything, it doesn't matter, because if it's not "John Elway is the greatest quarterback ever", then it makes me mad.

    Good for you Ducks.

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    I'll take Roy on my team any day. Glad he's already on my team.

    I'm glad he's on your team as well, guy gives up easy touchdown after easy touchdown.

    Here's a question for you, how come for three seasons in a row I've heard the argument mid-season from Cowboys fans, "they could easily be undefeated right now"...........if it's so easy, why aren't they? Ever?

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