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    http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns...unsnb1027.html

    I really feel bad for the guy (and for Suns fans).

    Stoudemire feels doubted by team

    Bob Young
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    Oct. 27, 2006 12:00 AM

    The pain has returned to Amaré Stoudemire's surgically repaired knees, and he said after Thursday's practice that he doesn't believe the Suns organization has complete confidence that he'll be the same player he was before the injuries.

    "I don't think so," Stoudemire said when asked about the team's belief in his full recovery. "I think they're waiting on me to show them. It's up to me to get back there."

    Coach Mike D'Antoni said Stoudemire did "almost everything" in practice Thursday but is still "a little stiff here and there."
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    "You have to ask him more than me," D'Antoni said. "He looked OK. He didn't play a whole lot. He looks a little better. He's getting a little more athletic."

    Stoudemire was able to do more than he did on Wednesday, and said he has had "sharp" pain in the knees the past two days. He reiterated what he said during the team's training camp in Italy - that he's going to need recovery days to recuperate. He said his recent setback is similar to what he experienced in Europe after going hard for "seven or eight days in a row."

    He said that during the past couple of weeks he hasn't taken a day off except when the whole team was off.

    He also said that during the season when the Suns play back-to-back games, he might need a recovery day at practice. Whether he gets the blessing of D'Antoni and the Suns organization remains to be seen.

    "I haven't talked to them yet, but I definitely hope so," Stoudemire said.

    But Stoudemire sounded as if he believes he has the support of the team.

    "I hope so," he said. "I'm definitely doing whatever I can. . . . Whatever they've asked me to do; I'm definitely doing it. I pushed through the pain pretty much the whole practice."

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    but, but Amarelooms...or maybe not, hahahahahahaha....i don't feel bad for him, he should've waited before changing that number to ONE!

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    Looks like Amare won't be looming any.

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    Amare LOOMS my friend...be afraid...be very afraid.

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    How Many Times Did Cbf Scoff You Who Said He Was Ready I Saaaaaaaaaiiiiiidddddddddddd

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    I feel sorry for Amare and hope these are just early setbacks for him. It'd be such a shame to see talent like his wasted by injury. Same happened to Antonio McDyess - but for his injuries, he was going to be a HoFer.

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    I think Amare is going to get back to where he was because he is so young but it may not be this year. This injury he had is very serious, he will be the player he once was in time.

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    I think Amare is going to get back to where he was because he is so young but it may not be this year. This injury he had is very serious, he will be the player he once was in time.
    With this surgery, it doesn't matter how young or old you are. The effect on your lift is devastating, and it never comes back. If he works very hard on fundamentals like positioning, footwork, and blocking out, he can be a good NBA pivot, but make no mistake: he's never going to be the Amare that scared the daylights out of opposing coaches and players, ever again.

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    That sucks. Stoudemire has been one of my favorites in the league since he came in. McDyess was another guy I loved when he was on the Clippers, Nuggets, and Suns, and I feel really bad for Suns fans and true NBA fans in general to see it happen twice. McDyess's injuries were such a blow to the sport, and if it happens with Amare it'll be twice as bad. I really want to see him back at that level where he was dropping 37 a night on the champs in the 2005 WCF. I love beating the Suns (especially after 93), but I want the Spurs to beat them at relatively full strength, like in 05.

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    McDyess was Amare. He was the same highlight reel dunk, poor rebounding fool. In fact, he was a worse rebounder than Amare, averaging only a shade over 7 for his first three seasons. He worked hard on evolving his game. He has averaged about 6 boards over the last 3 seasons in about 22 minutes, a real good rate. He also mastered a money baseline jumper. Those two things are what is keeping him in the league. He's become an effective player in managed minutes (22-23 pg), and shot over 50% in B2B seasons for the first time in his career with Detroit these last 2 seasons. He's never going to be that same player that he was, though. I believe his injury happened after his tour de force 00-01 season, and he would have been about 26. He tried to come back and play at the end of the 01-02 season, and he played 10 games, but he sat the entire 02-03 season.

    Any of you who think Amare is coming all the way back need to look at McDyess as a best case scenario. It sucks for the Suns because they just s ed out all that jack for him, and if he's able to play 82 games at 30 minute per, it'll be a miracle.

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    That sucks. Stoudemire has been one of my favorites in the league since he came in. McDyess was another guy I loved when he was on the Clippers, Nuggets, and Suns, and I feel really bad for Suns fans and true NBA fans in general to see it happen twice. McDyess's injuries were such a blow to the sport, and if it happens with Amare it'll be twice as bad. I really want to see him back at that level where he was dropping 37 a night on the champs in the 2005 WCF. I love beating the Suns (especially after 93), but I want the Spurs to beat them at relatively full strength, like in 05.
    Well said, sir.

    You too Zunni.

    Always nice to read the words of ol' skool NBA junkies.

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    Any of you who think Amare is coming all the way back need to look at McDyess as a best case scenario. It sucks for the Suns because they just s ed out all that jack for him, and if he's able to play 82 games at 30 minute per, it'll be a miracle.
    It seems that at this point, just getting anywhere close to 50 games from Amare would be a miracle.

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    amare probably will have to learn how to use other skills than the sheer raw physicality and athleticism if the injury doesn't permit him to return to 2005 form.

    It will be a hard road once he realizes that those overwhelming physical skills are no longer there at such a young age. It will take mental toughness instead of the physical ability that almost carried him to the top of his profession.

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    Truly sucks but it looks like Amare might well be going the way of Ralph Sampson and Jonathan Bender. He already has chronic arthritis in his "good" knee.

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    It's not good, in fact in the one preseason game I saw him in he looked like he was favoring his knee big time. And the most noticeable part of his game that is missing is his explosiveness. In last nights pre game show, Jamaal Mashburn said that his explosiveness never recovered from that kind of surgery and that he had to make major adjustments to his game. Amare is still young enough to have a good career, but he will have to come to grips with his limitations, and for a guy who at one time seemed unstoppable and with a sky's the limit future, this may be the hardest thing for him to deal with. The mental part.

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    , Jamaal Mashburn said that his explosiveness never recovered from that kind of surgery and that he had to make major adjustments to his game
    Thats funny, I thought he had the surgery and never came back.

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    amare probably will have to learn how to use other skills than the sheer raw physicality and athleticism if the injury doesn't permit him to return to 2005 form.

    It will be a hard road once he realizes that those overwhelming physical skills are no longer there at such a young age. It will take mental toughness instead of the physical ability that almost carried him to the top of his profession.
    That's really tough.

    It's very unfortunate, hopefully his heart and tenacity makes up for it in the long run, but to be in that position where your talent is limited by an unfortunate injury, it just seems so hard to swallow..

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    With this surgery, it doesn't matter how young or old you are. The effect on your lift is devastating, and it never comes back. If he works very hard on fundamentals like positioning, footwork, and blocking out, he can be a good NBA pivot, but make no mistake: he's never going to be the Amare that scared the daylights out of opposing coaches and players, ever again.
    You can't say that with certainity. Odds are against him yes, but he can overcome them. I saw story on ESPN about WR Steve Smith of the Panthers. This guy a few years ago, broke his leg in multiple places and doctors told him no way he ever plays again. Not only did he come back but he is the most dominant and explosive WR in the NFL right now. Odds are against Amare but i doubt that he has no shot to get back to where he was.

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    You can't say that with certainity. Odds are against him yes, but he can overcome them. I saw story on ESPN about WR Steve Smith of the Panthers. This guy a few years ago, broke his leg in multiple places and doctors told him no way he ever plays again. Not only did he come back but he is the most dominant and explosive WR in the NFL right now. Odds are against Amare but i doubt that he has no shot to get back to where he was.
    A broken leg, especially in multiple places, is serious. However, it in no way approaches a bone on bone knee in a game where major amounts of constant jumping are required. I'm also not enamoured of the fact that the front office and D'Antoni have already had to confront Amare about his rehab efforts. The combination of the generally accepted surgery and recovery prognosis, and his lackadaisical rehab efforts are what is driving my serious doubts about his level of recovery. Steve Smith is a warrior, but Amare seems to think people should feel sorry for him. Guess what? Few people will. He's got a huge guaranteed contract, so he's financially set for life. Staying in the league past this contract and being an effective player is all up to him.

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    There goes my prediction of the Suns as World Champs and Amare as MVP for the next three years running...

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    Diaw must be pretty happy right now to get a permanent starting job

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    Yeah I am sure diaw is jumping up and down that a friend of his is hurt and it is going to hurt the suns chances at the ring
    diaw wanted to get paid
    he is now so I am not sure why he would be happy
    there was talk amare would come off the bench anyhow

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    I'm new here but came over from (koff)SR(koff) where I have been consistently posting since Amare had his surgery last year and all the commentators were creaming their jeans over his return and how dominant the Suns would be...

    that Amare would never, ever become anything close to the player he was.

    My reasoning was:

    1) he is almost completely dependent on his athleticism, specifically his explosive leaping ability, for his game

    2) he doesn't have anything close to an all-around game -- he is, surprisingly, a poor rebounder and defender -- his shot-blocking mostly comes off of help defense

    3) he doesn't seem to have the maturity or at ude necessary to do the incredibly hard work necessary to (a) rehab and (b) retool his game in other areas

    Specifically, I said he would become an average NBA starter and never be at an all-star caliber again. (That doesn't mean he won't be voted all-star by stupid fans.)

    Now, it looks like all this is starting to come true, sadly.

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    This is a shame for any NBA fan... wow the suns are stupid.....

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    Amare's got many years to find his athleticism again before he is too old. I think eventually he will get back to close what he was but not this year.

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