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Plays no defense and is an average to below average rebounder.
Plays for the sonics and is exactly what we need. Make it happen!
Plays no defense and is an average to below average rebounder.
We need a guy who doesn't play any defense, doesn't work on his game in the offseason, and blocks less than 1/2 a shot a game for his career?
We had an over-paid, non-rebounding powderpuff last year.... We sent him to Toronto
He's a great rebounder for a long 3 (yeah, I know you're going to say he's a PF, but he can hang with perimeter guys kind of like Elson).I don't think pepole on here realize that the reason behind 9/10 of our losses is lack of rebounding and that Bowen is the WORST rebounding SF in the L (a role wilcox can fill), Manu is below average for a SG, and TD is not a monster in that dept anymore. We have to play extremely good offense to beat teams.
seriously it doesnt matter if we get the best center in the nba on the team, his stats will decline to 5 5.
look at rasho n nazr who are prospering on other teams atm
4-1 downcourt is for ballhogs, it.....
They've only played 2 games....I don't think pepole on here realize that the reason behind 9/10 of our losses is lack of rebounding and that Bowen is the WORST rebounding SF in the L,
Wilcox sucks. Move on.
You have repeated in 3 threads now that you think Bowen is a horrible rebounder. So I think we know by nowBut replacing him with Chris Wilcox, who isn't a small forward, doesn't defend, doesn't block shots, doesn't play team basketball, doesn't work out in the offseason isn't the answer.
They are propsering cause they have no pressure.look at rasho n nazr who are prospering on other teams atm
You're too hung up on positions. He's agile enough to play on the wings and inside. His lack of D is just a matter of effort, but forget Wilcox.You have repeated in 3 threads now that you think Bowen is a horrible rebounder. So I think we know by now
The problem is that no team with subpar rebounding has ever won a championship. We got away with playing 3 very poor rebounders during the last 2 championships because we always had 2 monsters in the middle. Now, we don't even have one (TD is not grabbing them like he used to). If we're going to succeed, we either have to snatch another elite rebounder (and pop doesn't want to play 2 interior bangers anymore) or increase rebounding at all positions -- like most teams in the L have.
There's no problem with our offense or defense. It's just the rebounding.
I'm not hung up on anything. You are repeating yourself in multiple threads, so I guess you are hung up on something.
He's a power forward.
Yes, the Spurs need better rebounders. Hopefully one of the three centers will emerge and be a decent rebounder (7-8 rpg). Tim is going to get his 11-12 a game. Manu, Tim and Bowen all need to do more in that area.
In the 2005 playoffs, Nazr averaged about 7 boards. Not exactly a monster.during the last 2 championships because we always had 2 monsters in the middle.
You just lost your credibility.
Duncan has averaged over 11rpg every season of his career, and over 12 in 5 seasons out of 9, which would put him in the top 10 rebounders in the league every season he has played.
Manu is an average rebounder at worst.
Bowen is a poor rebounder for his position, agreed.
Oh, and around here WE DO KNOW that rebounding and FT shooting are responsible for most of our losses.
BTW, Wilcox is a PF/C and far too slow to play on any SFs other than the big ones.
We don't need Chris Wilcox for 8mil per!
The way he's playing on Wilcox, give me Ronny Turiaf instead!
Yes, I am hung up on this, because I'm pretty sure it's by far the biggest problem.
Rebounding is the most steady stat in basketball. You can either do it or you can't. It's wishful thinking to think that Bowen and Manu will improve, and I expect TD's numbers to decline slightly due to his decreased athletiscm. Elson, won't be enough to make up for our 3 poor rebounders. Butler might do it, but I haven't seen enough of him to determine if he can play 30+min. If the problem isn't solved, there's no way the Spurs are going to win a ring.
Assuming TD, Gino, TP are imovable, our options are A) get an elite rb -- maybe Butler, maybe a trade B) play Elson/Oberto with a perimeter player(mostly on d) who can board pretty well.
Bowen can still get plenty of minutes behind Manu and when matchups are favorable.
Benching Bowen aint happenin so get over it quickly sparky.
Bob hill just ran the Sean Elliot play against LAL. It got stuffed.
Well Bowen will not be pulled out of the starting lineup, so one of your other options will have to work. Nazr wasn't a monster rebounder in 2005, and the Spurs won a le. Whoever starts at center needs to average 7-8 boards.
Look at that number per minutes played. He can be considered an elite rebounder.
Number of minutes, stats per 48 doesn't matter for your comparison. You are saying that we need the amount of boards we had in 2005. His amount was 7 per game.
contort stuff to fit your arguement.Look at that number per minutes played
Hey folks, we have a politician on our hands....
We need to bench stiffs like Oberto who seems to love to tap the ball to the other team, and put Butler in place behind Elson so he can learn on the fly.
Yes, but he struggled in the playoffs last year and based on what I've seen so far this year, IMO he will be slightly less effective
I'd like Nero to retract his assertion that Timmy isn't an elite rebounder. He clearly still is.
Wilcox sucks.
End of story.
Move on.
Didn't Duncan have like 15 or more rebounds tonight or somethin?
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