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    America Destroyed

    4 more years of raising deficits, fewer civil liberties and less freedom

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    Seek True Love, within. bigzak25's Avatar
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    Ice,

    I'm curious, which civil liberties and freedoms have you personally lost over the last four years that would cause you to make that claim?

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    lower taxes, highest home ownership in the history of the country, fastest growing economy in years, 1.3 million jobs created in 13 months.

    God, it sucks to be an american right Ice?

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    Still a net loss in job creation for the first time in over 70 years!

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    yeah that 9/11 thing wouldnt have had anything to do with it right Marxy?

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    Uh, other presidents have still managed positive job growth during a time of war.
    Get it Tparky?

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    Over the last 70 years which party has consistently argued for the expansion of the Leviathan which we now encounter at the federal level? As much as some of you like to claim our rights are threatened by Republican politicians when you actually realize why the government is up our ass to begin with then you will have taken the first step towards sanity.

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    Still a net loss in job creation for the first time in over 70 years!
    So the federal government 'creates jobs'? That's a new one.

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    Damn You Commies T Park's Avatar
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    Uh, other presidents have still managed positive job growth during a time of war
    other presidents havent had two buildings explode containing business and 3 thousand people die in matter of minutes.

    Get THAT Marxy?

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    Of course MB,

    according to libs, without the federal government, us dumb people would be totally lost, heyuk.

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    According to Dubya it does since his tax cuts have stimulated the economy and is creating jobs. Isn't that what TPark is implying?

    Oh, but Bush is solely responsible for "keeping" us safe?

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    People reinvesting there own money, horrible idea I know Johnny, you liberals just hate it when people want to keep more of there own money.

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    Still a net loss in job creation for the first time in over 70 years!
    Have you ever had a job Johnny?

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    Of course I have a job. Luckily mine wasn't lost during this administration.

    Have you ever had a job?

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    Uh, other presidents have still managed positive job growth during a time of war.
    Get it Tparky?
    Uh, have you looked at the latest job numbers, the overall economic trend. And uhhhh, do you realize how we also overcame the Clinton/Gore recession? Do you, uhhh, understand that?

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    People reinvesting there own money, horrible idea I know Johnny, you liberals just hate it when people want to keep more of there own money.
    If you really wanted to keep your money, you wouldn't be a republican. Your party is willing to propose small tax cuts but it keeps spending the nation into oblivion with money we don't have.

    Don't tell me that Bush's small tax cuts are that big of a deal. I want real tax relief and decreased spending, you know, what republicans used to stand for.

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    Of course I have a job. Luckily mine wasn't lost during this administration.

    Have you ever had a job?
    Many of them Johnny. I am retired now so I speak with a lot of experience. If your job wasn't lost during this administration, why are you echoing the lost rhetoric of your chronies?

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    The US economy suffered two rather direct hits in the span of 18 months between March of 2000 and September of 2001. What we found out was that the 'internet economy' of the 1990s was simply unsustainable, built upon inflated financial market asset prices which were based upon unrealistic future assumptions. A lot of employment lost to that 'bubble burst' was simply not recoverable. 9/11 pretty much kicked a weakening economy down and bashed its head in.

    Again I take issue with the notion that the federal government 'creates jobs' because I think slogans like that distort the reality that jobs are for the most part created by private decisionmakers, not public ones. This is not to say that government policy does not have an impact on 'jobs'. Yet usually that impact is negative.

    The problem I have with those who try to hang the 'job loss' on Bush's head is that they ignore a host of issues, namely the ones I mentioned above, as well as the fact that the economic policies that Bush pushed for (low taxes, more spending, low interest rates) are pretty much what you would expect the federal government to do if you believe it should be trying to 'create jobs.' Bush even engaged in a bit of protectionism with the US steel industry.

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    The economy was so great under Clinton that all of those companies went bankrupt and pissed out employees like they had been waiting in line at the rodeo for 3 hours.

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    Damn You Commies T Park's Avatar
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    If you really wanted to keep your money, you wouldn't be a republican
    who should I vote for boutons, Kerry, who wants raise my taxes again???

    Uhhh, no.


    He couldnt get huge tax cuts, because the stupid liberals in the senate would filibuster and object to the big tax cuts, making them smaller.


    I remember when the first tax cut was passed, I think it was, oh, John Kerry who stood up and said, "This is a dark day for america"

    Yeah, its horrible john, we get to keep more of our money, aint that in bad.

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    who should I vote for boutons, Kerry, who wants raise my taxes again???

    Uhhh, no.


    He couldnt get huge tax cuts, because the stupid liberals in the senate would filibuster and object to the big tax cuts, making them smaller.


    I remember when the first tax cut was passed, I think it was, oh, John Kerry who stood up and said, "This is a dark day for america"

    Yeah, its horrible john, we get to keep more of our money, aint that in bad.
    Your hypocritical. You say you want to keep more of your money, yet you won't vote for the party that wants to allow you to do that. You say you want to be free, yet you won't consider the party that is strongest in that area. Instead you support the Patriot Act. I've got news for you: the Patriot Act is just another attack on your freedoms.

    Why do you vote republican? There are alternatives to republicans and democrats you know.

    You say you want certain things, yet you won't support the party that matches your views.

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    Damn You Commies T Park's Avatar
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    when did Kerry say he was in support of across the board tax cuts.

    HOW AM I HYPOCRTICAL?!?!!?

    WHEN HAS G DUB RAISED TAXES ON ME?!

    PLEASE TELL ME!!


    Your reasoning makes zero sense.

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    simple, hes dumb

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    I think the Patriot Act criticisms are overdone because it pretty much expanded law enforcement power into anti-terrorism efforts which already existed for other matters.

    This Leviathan we face didn't arise overnight. I'd say by and large we have the Democrat party to thank, as well as an honorable mention for the GOP.

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