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A pro-choice, pro-gay serial adulterer from the Northeast is going to get the Republican nomination? After 30 years of driving the U.S. to the extreme right, the GOP will try to outflank the Democrats on the left? Interesting idea.
-- Former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani has taken the first step in a 2008 presidential bid, filing papers to create an exploratory committee, Republican sources tell CNN.
You dumbocraps can kiss the '08 presidential election good-bye. Not even Obama can beat Rudy!!!!
The Republicans are back!!!!
A pro-choice, pro-gay serial adulterer from the Northeast is going to get the Republican nomination? After 30 years of driving the U.S. to the extreme right, the GOP will try to outflank the Democrats on the left? Interesting idea.
I'll take Rudy over a lying like Hitlary Clinton anyday.
Funny you say outflank Bob! What would Rudy do about a chinese sub that sneaked to within 5 miles of our kitty hawk carrier group?
It doesn't really matter what you'll take. The only peeps left in the Republican "big tent" are the religious fundamentalists, and they sure as will never nominate him, kind of a requirement to get on the ballot. The whole Start with New Hampshire and Iowa thing kind of works against him, too.
AP: Giuliani takes step toward '08 bid By DEVLIN BARRETT, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 2 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - Former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani, a moderate Republican best known for his stewardship of the city after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, has taken the first step in a 2008 presidential bid.
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The former mayor filed papers to create the Rudy Giuliani Presidential Exploratory Committee, Inc., establishing a New York-based panel that would allow him to raise money to explore a White House run and travel the country.
The four-page filing, obtained by The Associated Press, lists the purpose of the non-profit corporation "to conduct federal 'testing the waters' activity under the Federal Election Campaign Act for Rudy Giuliani."
The paperwork, dated last Friday, is signed by Bobby Burchfield, a partner at the DC-based law firm of McDermott Will & Emery, a firm that handles political work.
"Mayor Giuliani has not made a decision yet," Giuliani spokeswoman Sunny Mindel said in a statement Monday night. "With the filing of this do ent, we have taken the necessary legal steps so an organization can be put in place and money can be raised to explore a possible presidential run in 2008."
One potential rival for the GOP nomination, Sen. John McCain (news, bio, voting record) of Arizona, said Sunday he was taking the initial step of setting up an exploratory committee.
Under federal election law, an exploratory committee allows an individual to travel and gauge the level of support for a candidacy without formally declaring themselves a candidate and adhering to all the federal rules of fundraising. An individual who spends money only to test the waters — but not to campaign for office — does not have to register as a candidate under the election law.
The GOP field is expected to grow with Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, Sen. Bill Frist (news, bio, voting record) of Tennessee, Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee and New York Gov. George Pataki expected to join the presidential fray.
Democratic Gov. Tom Vilsack of Iowa has filed to establish a full-blown campaign committee and will make a more formal announcement of his candidacy later this month.
Giuliani was widely praised for leading the city during and after the terror attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. He has said for months that he would wait until the end of the 2006 elections to decide whether to embark on a White House bid.
The former mayor is a moderate who supports gun control, same-sex civil unions, embryonic stem-cell research and abortion rights — stands that would put him at odds with the majority of the GOP conservative base.
Giuliani has tried to sidestep those differences and offered strong praise for President Bush at the 2004 GOP convention in New York.
"It doesn't matter what the media does to ridicule him or misinterpret him or defeat him. They ridiculed Winston Churchill. They belittled Ronald Reagan. But like President Bush, they were optimists. Leaders need to be optimists. Their vision is beyond the present, and it's set on a future of real peace and security," Giuliani said.
"Some call it stubbornness. I call it principled leadership."
In 2006, the Giuliani brand remained strong. He headlined fundraisers for Republican candidates nationwide and his travel has done little to deny 2008 ambitions. During a visit earlier this month to Columbia, S.C., Giuliani dodged the question: "There's a chance, but that's after this election is over."
He then left South Carolina for New Hampshire, site of the nation's first primary and another GOP fundraiser.
Giuliani enjoys strong name recognition and a recent AP-AOL News poll conducted in late October found that among Republicans Giuliani was essentially tied with Condoleezza Rice and McCain on who they would most like to see elected president in 2008.
Rice has insisted that she will not run.
Giuliani, who was in his final months as New York City mayor when a pair of planes crashed into the World Trade Center's towers, became a national hero. Within hours of the attack, the mayor was visiting the site, caked in dust and walking through the chaos — a moment replayed repeatedly on television.
Assuming the role of "America's Mayor" and Time Magazine's Person of the Year for 2001, Giuliani remained an in-demand speaker and GOP fundraiser. He was the first Republican to lead New York in decades, had cut crime and redeveloped rundown parts of the city.
He was a former U.S. attorney, leading campaigns against organized crime and corruption. He spent two years as the Justice Department's No. 3 post, overseeing all U.S. attorneys, the Drug Enforcement Agency and the U.S. Marshals Service. The Brooklyn native was first elected New York's mayor in 1993.
Giuliani eyed a run for the U.S. Senate in 2000, but ended that bid while battling prostate cancer and a made-for-tabloids divorce from television personality Donna Hanover. The messy divorce and his relationship with Judith Nathan also made his campaign against Hillary Rodham Clinton all the more difficult.
Long before the Sept. 11 attacks, the mayor cultivated a kind of celebrity status. He made a cameo on "Seinfeld" in 1993 and "Mad About You" the next year. He hosted Saturday Night Live in 1997 and followed up with other cameos. And in 2002, he was a presenter at MTV's Video Music Awards.
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The filing is available at: http://wid.ap.org/do ents/giuliani_filing.pdf
Guilianni and Clark will both be excellent candidates...IMO, they are essentially the same guy. Guilianni was a Democrat early in his career and Clark had no publicly declared party affiliation prior to 2003.
Both of these guys are moderates and will piss off the fringe elements of the parties if they get scruitinized closely(something that obviously hasn't happened yet with Clark and the Democrats as much as it has with Guilianni and the Republicans).
Both candidates are a step in the right direction for both parties and back towards the middle away from extremist positions of 2004, and both are hardasses on foreign policy and progressive towards scientiffic research, and abortion rights. I'm not sure that either of them are particularly strong on the environment...one being a General and the other being a New Yorker. Although I do think Clark has some background with support of certain environmental causes. How much that impresses me depends on which ones they are...if it's crackpot causes it could be a negative.
Neither are what I would call a strong diplomat.
At the same time...both will get more respect that poor W did....Clark has a commanding presence and Guilianni is freaking bulletproof, even the Democrats will have to think long and hard about going after him.
Plus, IMO, Guilianni is a Republican that can carry New York...boom. Republicans that can carry New York usually win in a landslide.
It'll be nice to have to put some serious thought into who I will vote for.
IMO that after her speech to her cons uents after winning re-election, Hillary will be on a ticket in 08, but if comes down to Hillary/Obama versus Guiliani/Bush my head just might explode.
Giuliani fact you may not know:
Red State SinnersGiuliani's first marriage was to his cousin and childhood sweetheart, Regina Peruggi, to whom he was married from 1969 to 1982.
Red vs Bue
D v R
Why not simply vote for the best canididate and screw the two tribes mentality?
Oh no, because the world runs so much better when we all place oursleves in one of two camps and slavishly adhere to the doctrines of our camp regardless of the practicalities of the matter.
Gah, the world is .
Probably because the 'best candidates' never get nominated by the two tribes. That's politics.Why not simply vote for the best canididate and screw the two tribes mentality?
Guilianni is freaking bulletproof
The primary, maybe. The general election, doubtful, especially considering that Guiliani was not exactly a great mayor.Guilianni is a Republican that can carry New York
Quite fair. Such a balanced approach speaks well of you.It'll be nice to have to put some serious thought into who I will vote for.
Red vs Bue
D v R
Why not simply vote for the best canididate and screw the two tribes mentality?
Oh no, because the world runs so much better when we all place oursleves in one of two camps and slavishly adhere to the doctrines of our camp regardless of the practicalities of the matter.
Gah, the world is .
Most people do...including myself.
That's why we have a pretty even historical split of Republican and Democrat Presidents even with a narrow two party system.
And the voters also tend to put the opposing party of the President in control of congress....
The last 15 years or so have been a pretty aberrant era in American politics.
Mainly due to a loss of leadership in both parties.
The Republicans have struggled to find a unifying leader to replace Reagan and the Democrats have had an equal problem finding a replacement for Clinton.
I don't think any of us, even those that vote straight party tickets, have been particularly pleased with the choices following the last great Presidents of the respective parties.
Dan that's awfully unprogressive of you...and frankly I am surprised.
America is just about the only country in the World that stigmatizes cousin relationships...it's practically preferred among higher bred Europeans.
And the bible is full of cousins marrying. At no point does it say marrying a cousin is any kind of a sin.
Scientifically, even if first cousins marry, there is less than a 6% chance of birth defects.
Although I will say this...cousin marriages are particularly common in the middle east countries...probably more common there than any other region of the world...and that could be part of the problem with the endless violence there. More than likely though it's all the ty tin pot dictators trying to govern countries with hundreds of millions of people that causes the problems.
He became popular after 911...he took down the mob, and crime plunged to all time low levels.
The primary, maybe. The general election, doubtful, especially considering that Guiliani was not exactly a great mayor.
Rudy is not a diplomatic type...he wasn't liked, but he was respected and especially at the end trusted.
Thanks...Quite fair. Such a balanced approach speaks well of you.
My philosophy is that calling yourself a Democrat or a Republican doesn't make you automatically right, neither side is always right. Different climates domestically and internationally call for different approaches. There are different priorities at different times...
The great thing about Democracy is that it allows the people to tweak their government and change it's direction as need be....rather than be stuck with an idiot(or at least the same idiot) running the country for 40 or 50 years.
Interesting... history's cousin-couples:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_...cousin_couples
Famous cousin couples
Some cousins who have married:
Josiah Bartlett, second signer of the Declaration of Independence and his first cousin Mary Bartlett.
Johann Sebastian Bach and his second cousin, Maria Barbara Bach
Charles Carroll of Carrollton, the only Roman Catholic signer of the Declaration of Independence and his second cousin.
Charles Darwin and his first cousin, Emma Wedgwood
Albert Einstein and his first cousin Elsa Löwenthal née Einstein
Carlo Gambino and his first cousin Catherine Castellano
Rudy Giuliani and his second cousin, Regina Peruggi
Jesse James and his first cousin, Zerelda "Zee" Mimms
Jerry Lee Lewis and his second cousin once removed, Myra Gale Brown
John A. MacDonald and his first cousin, Isabella Clark
Edgar Allan Poe and his first cousin, Virginia Clemm
Muhammed and cousin Zaynab bint Jahsh
Franklin D. Roosevelt and his fifth cousin once removed, Anna Eleanor Roosevelt
Queen Victoria of the United Kingdom and her first cousin, Prince Albert
H.G. Wells and his first cousin Isabel Mary Wells
Princess Mary of Teck (later Queen Mary) and her second cousin once removed King George V
Edvard Grieg and his first cousin Nina Hagerup
Queen Elizabeth II (granddaughter of King George V and Queen Mary) and her second cousin once removed (through Christian IX of Denmark), as well as third cousin (through Queen Victoria), Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh.
Look again @ who controlled Congress for a couple of generations prior to '94; then look at every Democrat who was president during that time span. Congress + the WH is not all that uncommon (at least for Democrats - Clinton got to enjoy it for only 2 years).
He's got extreme noteriety with the American Public. And as witnessed by the past few elections, the candidates stances on several issues matter far less than whether America "trusts" the candidate to do the right thing.
He was the face of a hurting nation and America hasn't forgotten him. I think he'll have a tough row to hoe through the primaries, as some have already said, but if he makes it through, he'll be another candidate that resonates with the american public.
Rudy in a hard-hat marching down the avenue with a hord of sycophants at his elbows was pure political theatre on the morning of 9/11.
How do we know he marched down the avenue? Because "Rudy's people" made sure the low-angle cameras were there. The low-angle looking up made Rudy look big and monumental, his eyes leader-ly squinted and peering above the camera into the disaster down town, while barking left and right to his "people".
A Patton-in-Hollywood event.
It wouldn't surprise me if the cameras and crew were those of the the mayor's office.
Should have won an Oscar...what's your point?
It's a five year old movie. People have since learned that he did some REALLY dumb stuff that day, and that will be hung out on the line with the wash for everyone to see.
- Rudy Giuliani on DubyaIt doesn't matter what the media does to ridicule him or misinterpret him or defeat him. They ridiculed Winston Churchill. They belittled Ronald Reagan. But like President Bush, they were optimists. Leaders need to be optimists. Their vision is beyond the present, and it's set on a future of real peace and security," Giuliani said.
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