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I would have slapped tha out of Bobby Knight.
It doesnt look like a hard shot to the chin, but he still slapped the kid.
I would have slapped tha out of Bobby Knight.
It doesnt look like a hard shot to the chin, but he still slapped the kid.
Bobby Knight needs to get thumped by someone. I know he's shot his foul mouth off to many a reporter - sometimes even egging them on to start a physical altercation. I'm stunned no one has taken him up on the offer and kicked the living crap outta 'em.
Of course now, the AARP would be all over the person.
If other coaches had Bobby Knight's graduation stats it'd be better for everyone.
Thats a BS excuse to act like an asshole. I graduated and noone had to be a to me in order for me to accomplish that.
I PRAY he would yell in my face, or shove me......I would KNOCK his ol ass smooth out!!!!
Although I don't think this was all that bad....it was still not the smartest thing he could have done.
Bobby Knight will pass Dean Smith in wins but NEVER in class.
We are all pussies now. It's official.
I don't think its that far. Like I said...I don't think this was bad, just not smart, especially given his rep. As someone who played football in high school, I was moved physically by a coach to a different spot and knew it was just part of the game. If he had punched the kid, that would have been one thing, this was not that big of a deal, IMO.
Moving a person is one thing.......this kid was struck. It wasnt a punch, but it was a nice slap.
I have never seen Bobby Knight choke or slap a minority........why?....they would WHOOP his ass!!!!!
I buy Spurminator's point. Had Knight done that in the 60's or 70's, he would have been applauded for instilling discipline and demanding respect, not castigated for touching his players. To me, that's symptomatic of a system gone amok.
In many ways, things have become inverted -- athletics isn't a means to an end; it's an end in itself. In an educational setting, that strikes me as ridiculous, but I'm in the decided minority on that point. Because of the fact that athletics frequently has little or nothing to do with academics or education, coaches are largely fearful of their players. If they piss off their players, they can lose their jobs or lose their players, which will result in losing their jobs. Being pragmatists, most coaches take the easy way out, pandering to their kids and treating them like spoiled brats.
Knight's program isn't like that -- a fact that manifests itself in a variety of ways. When I was in school (in the late 80's) if you looked away from a coach who was speaking to you directly, you ran. Knight maintains that requirement that his players outwardly respect authority by, among other things, demanding that players look him in the eye when being addressed. That used to be a real world lesson that would serve someone well beyond athletics -- that such a simple sign of respect is now seen as a small thing strikes me as conclusive evidence that there's a bigger problem here.
Knight certainly could have found a better way to deal with his player. His past has lead to this being a major story -- frankly, I think this is a story only because it was Knight who did it and the media love the feeding frenzy that follows any controversial move that Knight makes.
FromWayDowntown -
You are correct in that we live in different times. Back "then" caoches, instrcutors, teachers, and just about anyone else in authority could use limited physical discipline. Unfortunately, due mainly to our sue-happy society, those limitations have all but disappeared. What we've become now is a society no longer regarding self responsibility, but one of personal irresponsibility (i.e., "it's the other person's fault" syndrome). As far as Bobby Knight's history, though, I am still astonished that no one - "then" or now - has stood up to him and taken him up on some of his threats.
FromWayDwontown would change his toon if Bobby Knight slapped the ever lovin out of his son.
I never said it was an excuse. But I wouldn't hesitate one second to have my kid play ball for Bobby Knight. Not a second.Thats a BS excuse to act like an asshole. I graduated and noone had to be a to me in order for me to accomplish that.
Yes, what his behavior is not 100% but the good he's done way out weights the bad. But hey, that is just me.
Go Big Ten!!!!
The kid's parents said it wasn't a big deal and they hope Knight is not punished.FromWayDwontown would change his toon if Bobby Knight slapped the ever lovin out of his son.
End of (non)story.
Actually, he wouldn't -- both because Knight hasn't ever "slapped the ever lovin " out of anyone's kid and because I don't think coaches should be precluded from doling out appropriate discipline. But nice assumption.FromWayDwontown would change his toon if Bobby Knight slapped the ever lovin out of his son.
We treat participation in athletics as though it's some right. It's not. It's a privilege that comes with prices; among the prices should be, I think, the requirement that kids be disciplined as appropriate given the cir stance. Frankly, I think the better disciplinary tack by Knight or any other coach isn't to move the kid's head, but to simply remove him from the program, at least for a little while. I think coaches are too willing these days to let kids roll over them and unwilling to use the ultimate punishment in their arsenal -- revocation of the privilege.
As for my personal view of things, I played for tough coaches and appreciate what those coaches did for me in teaching me about respecting authority, discipline, accountability, and perspective. As much as my parents instilled those values in me, it was wholly useful for me to have those values reinforced by those who demanded in absolute terms that I toe that line. I would want my kids to have the benefit that comes from that sort of reinforcement.
Besides, there are few coaches with the kind of true mutual respect for their kids that Knight and his graduates share. Read the story of Landon Turner sometime and you'll get a really, really good view of just how much Bob Knight genuinely cares about the kids who play basketball for him.
Last edited by FromWayDowntown; 11-14-2006 at 12:18 PM.
I don't see what the problem is. The kids know what they are getting into when they decide to play for Knight.
since the kid's mother and father had no problem whatsoever with it - they were in the stands when it happened, i don't have a problem with it either.
It's this kind of overreaction to complete bull that perpetuates the gradual decline of respect for authority figures. This becomes front page news, and suddenly every parent is watching their coaches to look for something to about. Thus the consequences of the reaction towards the "slap" outweigh the consequences of the actual "slap". Thanks again, Newsman.
Would it have been preferable for Knight to just say "Look at me when I'm talking to you"? Sure. Would it have been preferable for me not to hit the snooze button a fourth time this morning so I might not have gotten to work 10 minutes late? Sure. Who the cares?
Ive played ball all my life.....Im 40 now......You DONT have to do all what Bobby Knight does to instill discipline. One day he is gonna go OFF, way OFF and way over the top. Then we will see what everyone says then.
IU canned his ass, its a matter of time before TT does the same thing. Mark my words.
Even the kid himself has no problem with Knight.
Story
Texas Tech player defends Knight's actions
LUBBOCK, Texas -- Texas Tech player Michael Prince defended coach Bob Knight, who used his hand to push the forward's chin during a timeout in yet another episode involving the hot-tempered coach.
"It was nothing," Prince told the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal after Monday night's game. "He was trying to teach me and I had my head down, so he raised my chin up. He was telling me to go out there and don't be afraid to make mistakes. He said I was being too hard on myself."
Knight, with a history of chair-throwing, referee baiting and clashes with school officials, was not available for comment Tuesday.
Late in Texas Tech's 86-74 victory over Gardner-Webb, Knight approached Prince after the player was called for a foul. Knight then placed his hand on Prince's chin, as if to make him look the coach in the eye. A short time later, Prince appeared to be moving his jaw around as he sat on the bench.
Athletic director Gerald Myers said he talked with Prince's parents but wouldn't make a statement until he spoke with Prince. Tech president Jon Whitmire was out of town Tuesday and unavailable for comment, school officials said.
Prince's mother, Suzette Prince, told the Avalanche-Journal that she and her husband, Mike, were sitting across from the Tech bench and she doesn't feel this should be an issue.
"We talked with Michael and he had just committed two fouls in a row," Suzette Prince said. "He told us that Coach Knight was asking him if he's ready to play. He said they needed him ready to play."
She said she didn't think Knight should be reprimanded.
So you're saying that you're absolutely convinced that he's going to do something in the near future that he hasn't done in 41 previous years of collegiate coaching? Nice surmise there, Chicken Little.
I'd be quite surprised if Texas Tech fired him for this.
He will do something that is just as bad as what he has done in 41yrs.....and that will eventually lead to his downfall.
IU fired him.......didnt they asswipe???? How about that surmise???
What is it that you do NOT see?
You posted two different thoughts:
1) Knight is going to go off in some way that is worse than anything that he's ever done before; and
2) Texas Tech will fire Knight, just as Indiana did.
I doubt that you have any evidence to support the first thought. Indeed, your surmise on that point seems to have no basis in fact whatsoever. It would be one thing if Knight's "misconduct" was getting increasingly worse. That's not the case. In fact, other than being consistently blown out of proportion because of his iden y, his recent "misconduct" is significant only insofar as those actions were taken by Bob Knight. There's just no evidence to say that he's on the brink of physically harming a player, so I think your surmise is baseless.
As to the second thought, I simply don't agree with you. I'm not saying it's not possible, just that I don't think it will happen. But ultimately, the fact that Indiana fired Knight doesn't mean that Texas Tech will fire Knight.
So, what I don't see is any evidence to support your first point as the basis for asserting your second point. They strike me as two different points -- they become related only if your surmise on the first point is correct; but again, that surmise has no evidentiary support.
It doesnt matter. Whatever. I hate Bobby Knight......you want t make love to him. We will just have to disagree. Have a good one.
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